10A. Motion pictures
on lawfully made and lawfully acquired DVDs that are protected by the Content
Scrambling System when circumvention is accomplished solely in order to
accomplish the noncommercial space shifting of the contained motion picture.
10B. Legally acquired digital media (motion
pictures, sound recordings, and e-books) for personal use and for the purposes
of making back-up copies, format shifting, access, and transfer.
Michael Weinberg,
Staff Attorney, Public Knowledge.
Proponent for proposed Class 10.
Millions of Americans simply be able to watch their movies
in a way that makes sense for them, the way they do for music they own. CSS makes that illegal for DVDs. There is nothing illegal about personal space-shifting. 9th Circuit cited Sony and described space-shifting as
paradigmatic noncommercial personal use.
Widely accepted by the public and industry. Applies to published work; no cognizable
impact on value. Opponents have no case
law to the contrary. Closest case is
mp3.com, involving a business purchasing CDs and making them available. One would expect more cases if it were in
fact unfair, since it’s so widespread and since large content owners have never
been shy about enforcing their rights. They’ve avoided bringing personal space
shifting claims. The RIAA, represented here today, told the Supreme Court that
space shifting was lawful; RIAA and MPAA have extensive agreements with Apple,
which builds space shifting right into the software. Exemption wouldn’t prevent
a court from finding that space shifting infringes, if it does.
All the relevant factors weigh in favor of exemption. Impact on availability of copyrighted work:
actual impact, availability in other formats, alternative means of access.
Widespread access to CSS circumvention tools hasn’t harmed the willingness of
producers to use DVDs to distribute. Given one-click circumvention, no impact
on availability from exemption. While some motion pictures are available on
non-DVD formats, huge backlog of DVD-only. Unreasonable to ask consumers to
repurchase what they already own. The
alternatives are insufficient—camcording and screen capture are technically
difficult and time and resource intensive. Compared to one-click space
shifting; imperfect and inadequate result.
HDTVs aren’t just sold to film studies departments; millions are spent
on special effects; PBS has tech standards because average viewers can tell the
difference.
Statutory factors on nonprofit/critical uses don’t apply,
but aren’t a prerequisite. Impact of
exemption on value of work: no negative impact.
Won’t confuse consumers; register recognized this in the past and
nothing has changed.
2010: Register formally recognized that CSS is predominantly
being used to prevent reproduction, not access. Socially beneficial uses are
adversely affected by the prohibition. True then, and true today.
Register would do a disservice to public if it failed to
recognize the true state of affairs. CSS has been cracked for well over a
decade. Piracy is widespread. There is
no latent infringement capacity waiting to be unleashed by the
recommendation. This is not about
confusing the public; people space shift every day and can understand the
difference between space shifting what they own and downloading what they don’t.
This exemption protects consumers who play by the rules.
Dean Marks, On
behalf of AACS LA. Opponent of proposed Class 10B.
Wants to make clear there’s not a request for Blu-Ray; of
personal requests to circumvent, no requests provided information about how DRM
on Blu-Ray was harming noninfringing uses or offered a sufficiently narrowly
tailored class.
Bruce Turnbull,
Counsel, DVD CCA. Opponent of proposed
Classes 10 A and B.
Not met burden of demonstrating uses are noninfringing. First, the class is not narrow and refined as
essential to an exemption. Second, an exemption of this breadth would overwhelm
CSS to detriment of the industry. Third,
ways in which content is now available satisfy the desire to have content
widely available.
First, the proposed class has been considered and rejected
before. Need to preserve the prohibition
on other classes, and this exemption wouldn’t do that. Motion pictures protected by CSS as a class
has been rejected before. Broad
exemption would undermine incentives. No
successful proponent has demonstrated a need to make a full copy. Others like the vidders (!) have conditions
to ensure avoiding misuse, but we can’t find limiting principles like
gatekeepers that would keep this away from everyone. (To be clear, I think everyone is capable of
critical speech; the limiting principle we want is that the use should enable
the creation of a new work out of short clips, rather than making full copies,
not some permission-in-advance scheme or some category of Americans who aren’t
good enough to speak. But otherwise I
agree that our exemption won’t be misused!)
Licensing: harm to integrity of the licensing system was
enough to justify an injunction against Kaleidescape (distance DVD watching
system), and this is the same thing. Market
alternatives allow access to content in many ways. Ultraviolet is available and growing. Digital copy is also prominent with many
movies distributed now, including Blu-Ray. Array of online sources; these are
alternatives to circumvention. We aren’t
suggesting screen capture or cellphone recording is an alternative to recording
a prior work; we don’t like that either.
We only want people to do that to get clips.
While DVD remains king, the market for DVD is in decline and
our concern is very much that a broad consumer exemption available to every
human being would contribute to the rapidity of that decline.
Matt Williams, MSK,
representing Joint Creators and Copyright Owners. Opponent of Classes 10A and B. (The Copyright Office panelists have an even
rougher ride, but the only panel Metalitz and Williams skipped, as far as I
know, was for an unopposed exemption. I
congratulate them all on making it to the end.)
Case law hasn’t changed.
PK hasn’t cited anything new. Space shifting is clearly distinct from
search engine thumbnail copying. Sony: copyright is supposed to
incentivize effort. Even noncommercial copying may undermine reward Congress
intended. 9th Circuit opinion
on mp3 players cited Wall Data: using
a copy to save the cost of buying additional copies is not fair use. There may be some instances of space shifting
that can qualify, but burden not met.
Convenience is still not valid reason for exemption, but
this one’s primary purpose is to avoid inconvenience. Consumers’ ability to use works as they do on
CD, personal devices that are most convenient: that’s an express challenge to
the no-convenience ground rule.
Providing consumers with cost-effective methods of consuming
content isn’t grounds for an exemption either.
What has changed? The factual record on the marketplace
availability of shows and movies.
Undermined the case that space shifting should be presumed legal. Licensing has expanded: exploiting and
developing potential markets. Can offer different levels of access at different
price points. Buying one copy of a work doesn’t transfer a license to copy as
many times as one chooses; that’s the foundation of copyright law. Napster:
impact in the audio CD market doesn’t deprive copyright owner of right to
develop other markets, like digital download.
UMG v. mp3.com, while
distinguishable in some respects, has relevant statements: Subscribers couldn’t
gain access unless they’d already bought.
But any allegedly positive impact in no way justifies impairment of a
further market. Tenenbaum, which isn’t generally his favorite opinion, is relevant:
judge said that def’t argued that copyright shouldn’t protect outdated business
model. Even if P is still making money,
that’s not the measure of fair use.
Congress hasn’t capped the revenue copyright owners can derive from
their monopolies.
PK claims that some titles are not available in other
digital formats, but haven’t pointed to any in the record, which forecloses
reliance on this argument.
Proposal lacks contours; doesn’t define space shifting,
doesn’t limit to owners v. lawful possessors/renters. Again, though PK says it’s about unavailable
titles, it hasn’t limited the proposal to such titles.
Customers seek to access content on multiple devices; we’re
trying to do that through licensed and secure methods to create new models that
benefit consumers. Don’t undermine this.
Brief video describing some of these new services.
Kasunic: we had examples at the tech demo of Wal-Mart
conversion. Does that fulfill this need?
Weinberg: No. It
charges a second time for something they already have. Creates a completely
unnecessary burden, both logistically and financially per disc. Paying for a license for something you don’t
need a license to do. It’s true that you could have a business model of charging
consumers to make that copy, not one that Copyright Office should endorse: like
charging consumers for each time they wanted to move a CD to their iPod. Doesn’t make it a legitimate business model.
Carson: of course we have a specific provision allowing
consumers to do that with music, suggesting Congress didn’t think 107 covered
that.
Weinberg: Case law distinguishes between business and people
making personal copies of media that they own.
People expect to be able to back up.
Carson: how are expectations relevant to legality?
Weinberg: goes to the question of legitimacy of CSS. There’s no threat that consumers will
misunderstand; restores the world to the way they think it is now.
Marks: One point on fair use: one case that really dealt
with this, Sony, court made clear
that the premise was that this was for time-shifting—later viewing, then
erased, not space-shifting permanent copy.
There’s a dramatic difference.
Weinberg: there is a difference, but the lack of case law
specifically endorsing space shifting doesn’t suggest it’s not a fair use; the
reason there is no case law is because it is an activity that is so far from
objectionable that rightsholders haven’t seen fit to sue people doing it.
Turnbull: a reason there’s not caselaw is because of
fundamental difference in the product market. In the video realm, market has
been based on licensing CSS, AACS, access controls. The machine that receives the product has to
obey certain rules. That’s very different from distributing music on open
media. (But we haven’t seen lawsuits
saying space shifting isn’t fair use, except for the 9th circuit
rejecting that argument.) Services that
strayed from this like Kaleidoscope got sued.
That’s why there haven’t been cases.
You can’t go into Best Buy and buy a device that copies the DVD. You can get them from various websites, we
concede, but that’s how the internet works.
Carson: so what do we know about how many people make
backups of video?
Marks: disk-to-digital service launched by Wal-Mart—we’ve
gotten a lot of positive feedback on ease and convenience; haven’t heard people
saying they wouldn’t do it anyway.
Carson: They probably wouldn’t tell you.
Weinberg: our post on the issue was one of our most widely popular
posts; a large number of people don’t think they should have to pay.
Carson: but do we know how many people make personal copies?
Turnbull: no, but many people think watching a movie once is
just fine.
Carson: you don’t have small kids, do you?
Turnbull: ok, but then you have the DVD. Don’t need to copy it for lots of
purposes. Also, until relatively
recently, the file size of the movie was really big. Many wouldn’t bother. We’re reacting to increase in storage space
(Ultraviolet): response to relatively new demand to have movies on a bunch of
devices.
Carson: Weinberg says there’s evidence/practice on personal
copies; with music, that’s likely true, but what about video?
Weinberg: we lack numbers, but we have comments from 100s of
people who want to do this: some do have kids and want to move the movies when
they travel. Some people have 27 linear
feet of DVDs and want to travel with their movie collections. One with an autistic kid who doesn’t want to
spend a lot of time switching DVDs. Very
specific/surprising uses, all in the record.
One person wrote in to correct our misperception that it was illegal now
to make a personal copy of a DVD. (I
recognize that reaction!) Rep. Issa told
people on Reddit that it was legal to
rip a DVD for personal use.
Williams: other proposals—there was argument that services
weren’t necessarily adequate for repurposing as opposed to pure entertainment.
Here, the proposal is that people want to access digital copies for
entertainment purposes, and these services are an alternative.
Marks: Shifting on iTunes.
Want to emphasize that that’s in the context of a license from content
owners. (Not my rips from my hundreds of CDs.)
Entire system is protected by DRM.
(Not the mp3s I buy from Amazon and even now from iTunes; didn’t Steve
Jobs make a big announcement about that?)
Balance the effect on the environment of licensing. That damage can’t be ignored. “I own it, so I get to add more functionality
as it comes along” is specious. When people bought DVDs, they weren’t allowed
to copy them. Now that’s available, that doesn’t mean you should get it for
free. If my cellphone didn’t have a text function, and Samsung comes out with a
new model that does, I don’t get a new cellphone for free. Owning a copy doesn’t
mean getting to do more functionality.
Weinberg: you can rip any CD in iTunes. That’s built in from the beginning. Couldn’t have licensed that carte
blanche. In terms of these services: two
points. First, the selection on any of them, or even all combined, when
compared to the universe on DVD, is incredibly limited. Anyone who’s searched on Netflix or Amazon
Prime has had this experience. Foreign
films; documentaries; TV; anime. I own
19 DVDs, but of the 19 I own, 3 of them not available in any other format. Even
if they were adequate services, they wouldn’t cover a huge corpus of DVDs.
These services are inadequate anyway because they do require
you to repurchase what you already own. And a lot require internet connections,
and that doesn’t work in a huge number of situations. PK’s mission outside here
is to increase access to high speed broadband, but that’s not what it should
be; restrictive data caps in many places even for those with connections. You can get 1-2 a month. Not real substitutes
for taking what you own and making a copy.
Balance: you could say you have to buy rights to space
shift. Balance of hardships: is paying
$2-4 per DVD like eminent domain? No but
it’s inconvenience to consumers, and that should be balanced against
inconvenience to rightsholders. And I
haven’t figured out what that is. How to finish the sentence, if the Office
allows people to make personal uses of things they own, then …? What are we balancing against? Ridiculous to think it will increase
piracy. Piracy exists. People are already confused about what’s
legit. Idea that preventing resale of
what people already own is a harm doesn’t seem right.
Williams: on the corpus: there isn’t one title in the record
where that’s been demonstrated. Can’t be
a basis for granting the exemption. On
harm: when you buy a DVD, you are buying a right to access that copy. But all
these great services providing access in different ways—multiple, streaming—that’s
a different offering with a different price point, which enables my clients to
work with tech companies to benefit the consumer. The harm is clear: it’s that copyright owners
and their partners offer products to recoup investments and fund new products
& new services.
Turnbull: The kind of space shifting proposed here is
exactly the kind of space shifting we’ve spent a lot of time to make sure that its
licensees are not able to do. It’s exactly what Kaleidoscope was doing with
their product. Integrity of the licensing system depends on ability to enforce.
Exemption would make that difficult.
Borrow, rip and return model: there is no way to police or
ensure in any way that in fact the person who makes the copies owns the DVD. The premise of the DMCA was that we were
worried that we’d only sell one copy of a work.
This is absolutely a concern with this exemption request: one DVD on the
block will be enough. CSS keeps honest
people honest.
Carson: doesn’t the text of your proposed exemption allow
rent-rip-return?
Weinberg: if you bought a DVD and made a copy with the
intention of returning it, you’d be outside the exemption because it wouldn’t
be for personal use.
Carson: I don’t follow that. I paid the price to rent it, or
I borrowed it and legitimately possessed it.
Weinberg: I’d argue you didn’t lawfully acquire it.
Carson: you don’t have ownership in it.
Weinberg: this exemption is for people who want to comply
with the law.
Carson: assume that’s true. Why not add in an ownership
requirement?
Weinberg: no objection.
Turnbull: still, in other circumstances you have ongoing industry
program, narrow group of people working together on standards for fair
use. You’re not going to conduct
seminars for 300 million people. (This
assumes that they have any idea what the law is; for good or ill, and I think it
hurts both sides in various ways, they just don’t.)
Ruwe: what about the argument that this destroys limited
access models.
Weinberg: we think this is narrow: movies are being distributed
in many different ways, and this exemption doesn’t cover any medium. Doesn’t impact streaming or Blu-Ray. (I would say that DVDs are regularly more
expensive than these other models that offer a permanent copy, which makes it
unlikely that people would turn to DVDs to take advantage of this exemption so
as to avoid them, even on the counterfactual assumption that they had any idea
about the exemption. But I’m not up
there.)
Ruwe: wouldn’t this displace their offerings though?
Weinberg: not a legit replacement when it demands rebuying. If those services charge for each clip that
educators want to use, it would be true that granting an exemption would
deprive copyright owners of money, but the question is whether that’s a service
we want to bless.
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