Showing posts with label trade secrets. Show all posts
Showing posts with label trade secrets. Show all posts

Friday, August 07, 2026

IPSC Closing Plenary Session: AI Everywhere All at Once

Plagiarism or Transformation Machines? Evidence on Copyright, Economic Substitutes, and AI, Stefan Bechtold (with David Abrams & Christian Peukert)

Prevalence rate: OpenAI v. NYT litigations includes statements about how often users use ChatGPT in order to generate potentially infringing output. OpenAI: normal people don’t use it the way the NYT did, more than 99% of the time. NYT says 14-24% use for information search, raising © concerns. Corporate research: for OpenAI, non-work use has risen from 53% to 73%; Microsoft says that work & career topics lead desktop usage 8am-5pm and relationship conversations surge on Valentine’s Day.

Used Wildchat dataset: 1 million ChatGPT conversations from real users April 2023-May 2024, mostly GPT3.5-Turbo. Currently focused on random sample of 10,000 prompts in English. NYT rewrites are relatively uncommon: more common: write a six sentence para summarizing A Tale of Two Cities; Write a Simpsons episode where Homer becomes addicted to drugs; tell me what I need to know for my chemistry exam. Some overprotection: write the lyrics to Rocky Road to Dublin in English w/native Irish beside them—that request was refused despite the public domain status of the work.

Looking for whether users are looking for potential infringements or potential substitutes (e.g. replacements for chemistry textbook) and also looking for whether the output is refused b/c of guardrails.

Results: 3.7% of sample prompts and outputs, model identifies © infringement risk. Guardrails only trigger in 0.13% of cases. 1.19%-over 2% potential economic substitute risk. According to classification, the substitute/© infringement groups don’t overlap a ton.

Next steps: OpenAI says 28.1% of their users are asking for writing tasks; our data around 34.5%. Thinking about different classifier refinement, e.g. what happens w/minimal prompt to our classifier, feeding it a © textbook, classifying w/other LLMs.

The AI Penalty in Trade Secret Law, Camilla Hrdy & Mike Schuster (with Joe Avery)

Bias against self-driving cars (crashes are perceived as more serious) as well as AI-generated works. Trade secret liability often turns on whether improper means were used. Does this vague and morally charged standard lead to arbitrary distinctions in misappropriation cases?

Scenario: website provides insurance quotes; no TOS limit on request; confidential quote database underlying it. Defendant competitor queries database & recreates underlying dataset/trade secret. Human: $100,000 spent on 20 hourly employees over 5 weeks to systematically request different quotes. AI: $100,000 spent on specialized AI that systematically requested different quotes.

500 mock jurors were asked: would you have brought this lawsuit, were means improper, etc. Outcomes: significantly more likely to find liability, higher compensatory damages, less ethically acceptable w/AI. (Note that liability/improper means were above 50% for human use too.) Only not statistically significant result was on punitive damages.

AI penalty makes more sense in trade secret than in patent & ©. Improper means is open-ended concept. We’d expect more bias. 11th Cir. 2020: while manually accessing quotes is unlikely ever to constitute improper means, using a bot to collect an otherwise infeasible amount of data may well be. That case was scraping w/o AI, but AI is a subset of automation.

AI trade secret (AI used to “steal” trade secrets) cases are coming; there have already been a smattering. Agentic AI will be a perfect accomplice, whether from direct prompts or “escapes.”

Don’t want a bright line rule/reasonable measures should still be required, but this all makes sense. It’s important to update rules over time. Flying over a plant is very different in 1970 and 2026.

The Value of Knowing What Works: AI and Unprotectable IP, Sarah Polcz

Interviews w/researchers at frontier AI labs. Spending enormous sums to poach researchers—$100 million/year reported salaries. How can individual researchers possibly be worth so much? Most valuable IP is the least protectable—high level insights that are short, abstract, and easily carried from lab to lab in heads of researchers. IP like specific blocks of code or weights of model is comparatively less valuable. High level insights also move among researchers socially, where there’s no current employment relationship.

AIth Circuit Court of Appeals, Nikola Datzov (with David Schwartz)

AI judging: models showed no meaningful prompt sensitivity; shockingly accurate/capable depending on complexity of the case. Key driver is AI’s confidence in outcome. Patent cases appear more complex but show the same trends and capabilities. AI models can identify which cases they can and can’t accurately decide; courts could prioritize remaining cases for human/faster review; parties could determine whether appeals were worth pursuing.

The Terms and Conditions of Generative AI, Andres Sawicki (with John Newman)

Allocating generative AI output ownership—looking at TOS. Meh news: provider obtains a license to the input to provide the desired service. Standard broad terms: nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide, sublicensable, etc.—for inputs and outputs.

Worse news: permitted uses are not limited to specified purposes. A small fraction say they only use the inputs to provide the service to you, the user. Plurality say they use them to provide service to you and other users. Also see a large percentage with “any business activity,” some with no explicit limit, and a small number where the permitted uses vary by tier. 55% of licenses to inputs are restricted, and 52% of licenses to outputs.

Notably—45% take unrestricted license to use the inputs—so photographers should worry.

TOS also try to make users responsible for any harm/infringement w/hold-harmless and indemnification provisions written quite broadly.

Implications: these provisions undermine ownership in © materials. Shifts liability risks to users [though it’s hard for me to imagine that litigating indemnification wouldn’t be more expensive than it’s worth so I’m not sure that’s true]. Risks to democratic deliberation and self-government.

Q: re AI penalty—human labor is linear; AI is efficient/if you allow it then it will be much easier to do this harvesting more efficiently—so if it’s troubling, then AI makes it worse.

A: similar reasoning to legal protection against plug molds (Bonito Boats) [or mask works]—anticopying logic. Not sure that makes sense forever b/c things change but makes sense.

Thursday, August 06, 2026

IPSC Breakout Session 2 Copyright Fixation & Subject Matter

Culture Isn’t Transitory: The Disappearance of Music and Film Under the Copyright Regime Amanda M. Whorton & David S. Levine

How could © improve cultural heritage preservation? Modestly change fixation to help archivists. We have only one video recording of jazz great Clifford Brown playing the trumpet b/c of serendipity—Soupy Sales decided to record the broadcast. An estimated 75% of silent era films are lost; 1927-1950 an estimated 50% are lost; many early news broadcasts, the first 10 years of the Tonight Show, first televised presidential address have been lost. Some of the losses are technological challenges/storage media degrading/format incompatibility. But some are attributed to taking fixation as a given. Cartoon Network said that 1.2 seconds wasn’t enough for fixation, but the boundary is unclear.

Proposal: Raise the standard to archival- or preservation-level fixation, closer to permanence, as far as is reasonable. A work must be able to survive past author’s wish to exploit it. Should require author to certify they’ve done so. Would not retroactively restore already-lost works. Better align fixation with Constitution: not just protecting market value, but collective cultural memory and heritage.

Q: why tie to fixation and not just require preservation as separate element?

A: theoretical link.

Q: the tech didn’t used to be valuable; why force people to preserve things that aren’t worth preserving? Why not force archiving of emails in case they’re useful someday?

A: yes, we’re making authors care about something they otherwise wouldn’t care about. There’s nothing new under the sun, though, and if they’re availing themselves of the © system they need to deposit more than a penny’s worth. Bar for protection is low.

Peter Yu: Is this a Berne-noncompliant formality?

Q: is this still a problem v. 70 years ago? Does deposit do enough work?

A: obsolescence will still happen. Certainly deposit can solve some of this but that requires LOC to house all these.

RT: wouldn’t you have to separate the standards for protectability & infringement? Cartoon Network is an infringement case.

A: yes.

Q: example—Nintendo didn’t have to deposit anything, except for the Pokemon movie reels as having cultural significance (they only wanted reels). Valancourt Books case about mandatory deposit as a taking—if yours is tied to seeking © that might escape the problem.

Ambient Copyright Fixation, Brian Downing

Fixation requires the author’s authority over the fixation; occurs more and more w/o author’s knowledge, let alone authority, by ambient recording devices. Creators can’t assert federal © interest over unknown fixation; uncreative device operators reap the rewards from others’ creative works. Operators own the work if they show minimal creativity in fixation.

He proposes notice and adoption as the rule instead of fixation with authority. Authors will use platforms to automatically become aware their work is online: YT and Meta have likeness protection for deepfakes; authors could also manually discover their work is online. Adoption: authors would adopt or reject the fixation. For the fixer, safe harbor, fair use, and news exceptions. Uploader would have to say who is in the video, if they know.

RT: Interesting project. Next problem: What’s the work? You’re assuming that human action creates works. But what about playing with a dog? Under your theory, who is the author of the Zapruder film? What if 2 people are in conversation? What if you are recording a dozen couples on the dancefloor? What is the uploader supposed to do if they believe that the underlying conduct is not copyrightable?

Also: why doesn’t common-law © solve your problem?

Also: Facial recognition mandates are a bad idea regardless of whether they’re supposedly in service of IP rights. The current mechanisms you describe are not used to mandate identification of everyone in a video, nor does Content ID etc perform a fair use or newsworthiness analysis, nor does anyone think that it can do so.

Q: you can make bad © claims on YT today; there’s always ambiguity about the defaults. Most things like a scuffle between people should be left up; a speech is clearer about the underlying work being recorded—notice and counternotice are the right solutions there; right now all the value goes to the wrong person. Failure mode is claim made by person who got in a fight and was recorded. That’s shifting value to a different person who abused the © system, but the value wasn’t created by the recorder and the money is being made. Our fixation rule should address how to reward the participants.

Also common-law copyright is underdeveloped in most states. [That’s what plaintiff’s lawyers are for!]

Maggie Chon: who’s the author? With photos we have doctrine. Operator may be able to claim that their filming meets some kind of test of copyrightability.

A: if there’s no master mind then revenue should be shared.

Peter Yu: 1101?

A: it’s at least ambiguous whether the Writings requirement requires a fixation. UK does allow adoption of unauthorized fixations. But 1101 is good for infringement; it’s not so good where the bootlegger is an automated camera.

The Copyrightability of Living Organisms Cathay Smith

The GloFish: glows under fluorescent light: proteins from jellyfish, sea coral integrated into fish genomes. Living organisms are patentable subject matter, though products of nature aren’t. Patents exist on method of making fish as well as the transgenic ornamental fish themselves. TM also allows for living organisms to be considered goods, so GloFish has a number of registrations like GALACTIC PURPLE and STARFIRE RED.

Copyright Review Board has found lack of copyrightability b/c didn’t owe origin to human authorship or don’t meet fixation requirements. GloFish © was denied despite argument that injecting non-native DNA into GloFish was like a painter using paint on a canvas. CRB found no authorship and no copyrightable subject matter.

Considers doctrinal limits on © protection for living organisms, and policy considerations.

Humans also use living organisms as the medium—plants and flowers; microbial art; Chapman Kelly’s garden. Living organisms can also be used as canvas: tattoos/painting on pigs, hairless cats, cockroaches. Seems like easy PGS separability cases, but are they useful articles? What makes them art is that they’re tattooed on living organisms.

Work itself is the living organism: the GloFish, where the work can’t be separated from the organism. Is there a difference b/t injecting dye into a fish to change its color versus modifying its genes to do so?

Fuzzy categories: trees trained to grow with specific trunk patterns; topiary sculptures that are trimmed—are they the same? Should the process matter to ©ability? Do we want to look at design of/design on concepts or seperability?

Policy considerations: fish have offspring; if their offspring exhibit the same expression as they do, how do we consider right to reproduce under those circumstances? If the work is self-replicating, what then? Taxidermied mice—if the policy considerations push us to avoiding living organisms as © subject matter, what about when they’re dead?

Jacob Noti-Victor: there are multiple doctrines at play: idea/expression; authorship; functionality—disentangle different doctrinal pieces. AI authorship is also relevant here.

RT: Extreme plastic surgery on humans?

Is Copyright a Noun or a Verb? Jacob Noti-Victor (with Jeanne Fromer)

Allen v. Perlmutter, D. Colo.—cited Star Athletica to argue that CO wrongly considered the process instead of the output. Copyright focuses on the verb in certain contexts—tort or agency contexts—copy/copying in fact, perform/performance/transmission, cause/volition, induce/inducement/secondary liability, employ/WFH. But protectability is all about the noun—things are supposed to be legible in the work itself, rather than the process by which the work is made. This falls apart in different places, but the work is supposed to be a coherent thing (even if scope is in flux).

Why insist on the noun? Property: in rem rights generally need a defined thing. Lower information costs when transacting and suing. Normative policing: focusing on work rather than process allows commodification and marketing, reinforcing market-incentives theory; Feist in particular is about avoiding normative contagion from labor as an independent justification for ©. Relatedly: evidentiary—a work is more easily assessable by courts, juries, and the CO. Process narratives are expensive and easily contested.

This is unstable because © is primarily about creating. Our justifications are about the verb: incentives, labor, personality. But the law focuses on the work as coherent object. The verb side leaks back in to the analysis. A lot of verb but a suspect noun: Meshwerks; some photography cases where work went into producing the thing—that’s when process leaks back in. A coherent noun but a suspect verb—the monkey selfie where a human didn’t do it. Maybe fixation/intent to fix as well.

Doctrinal disciplining as a pattern: courts can’t use only noun language, so verb language starts to seep in, and then courts get uncomfortable and announce a rule expelling process from the doctrinal area. Thin works: Burrow-Giles to Rentmeester.

Useful articles: Brandir talks about artistic judgment; Star Athletica says no, it’s about how the article and feature are perceived, not how or why they were designed. Fair use seems like it’s about verbs—what the fair user did—but there’s a similar pattern in cases like Blanch v. Koons and then Warhol v. Goldsmith. Blanch asks for a “genuine creative rationale,” whereas Warhol says subjective intent doesn’t matter, though meaning as reasonably can be perceived should be considered to the extent necessary to determine purpose.

Can authorship ever be separated from verbs? How can you ID author from the work? Well, you can’t! Naruto, Kelly (goes back and forth b/t authorship and fixation); Urantia (divine authorship, kind of about estoppel); AI authorship as additional destabilizing factor.

Possibilities: hold the line: noun is shaky but necessary. Process is an evidentiary and notice nightmare. (2) embrace the verb; stop pretending process isn’t important even if it means simple photos/random creations are unprotectable; (3) no choice—with AI the work can’t perform evidentiary/notice functions; we need to know how it was made so process inquiry is coming whether we like it or not.

RT: Process can also expand rights: selection of a particularly attractive pepper at the garden; the price cases like CCC/Kapes. Consider also public domain works/talk about the Uncle Sam case.

A: for useful articles process might yield less protectability; for software it might lead to more protectability.

Grimmelmann: a paper about the appeal and limits of formalism—everything you need is included within the thing itself! Literary and artistic theory could offer useful comparator—formalism, reader response, etc.

Maggie Chon: joint works and WFH?

A: there’s no way to avoid process inquiries there—you have to ask who superintended the work?

Samuelson: in Sedlik, the testimony about process was really important to the jury’s verdict (though not to the court of appeals).

Identification! Or, How Do You Litigate Against 3,000 Squishmallows? Ari Lipsitz

What is the work? Squishmallows sued Build-a-Bear claiming trade dress in kawaii squishy characters. BAB response: they were mixing and matching 17 different descriptions and tried to claim Squishmallow Godzilla and Squishmallow Warren Buffett made for Berkshire Hathaway. But dct denied motion to dismiss. Clarifying which of the 3000+ Squishmallows falls within the definition was a permissible aim of discovery. P defines rights in ambiguous way and then plans to slice & dice claims in discovery to target whatever D did. But IP rights are supposed to be defined in the abstract—a problem for trade dress and trade secret as well.

Why identify? (1) notice to D; (2) gating discovery—California requires trade secret to be ID’d before discovery; (3) it straddles the line b/t procedure and substance—in trade secret, P should describe subject matter w/sufficient particularity, to separate it from matters of general knowledge.

Alsup said: it’s easy to allege theft of trade secrets w/vagueness, take discovery, and then specify whatever happens to be there as having been trade secrets stolen from P. Allowing everyone to survive MTD; risk of forcing D to reveal its own trade secrets.

Other forms of IP also lend themselves to strong identification requirements: trade dress can be hard to pin down; © also has identifiability issues if it’s unregistered or in a billion different pieces as in Thomson Reuters. Patents shouldn’t be hard to pin down.

Open question: identification and scope. The more diffuse the right, the stronger the identification should be—with trade secret, claimant may not have concrete idea of secret until there’s litigation, so identification is important; patent: you have it or you don’t, so need to identify. Unregistered trade dress and copyrights seem closer to the diffuse side.


IPSC Opening Plenary Session: IP Openness, Secrecy, and Enclosure

Selective Exploitation, Kristelia GarcĂ­a

Justifications for deference to rightsholders in enforcement context are less persuasive than justifications for deference to rightsholders in exploitation decisions. These aren’t infringers—outside of ©’s standard infringement/remedies scope. Conduct at issue: shifting content from Peacock to Hulu, pulling shows from streaming services once they’re cancelled, making them impossible to access. Denying a platform access to a work that a platform has decided is not worth continuing. Batgirl pulled for tax reasons. Disappearance clusters around mergers and quarterly reporting where they want writeoffs; independent of consumer demand. Subsidizes content removal in a bad way. Accounting-driven disappearances.

Reputational concerns also lead content to disappear—race-changing makeup in 30 rock; Dr. Seuss edited to remove what are now understood as racist caricatures.

Consequences: for access; for competition/raising cost of competition; for creators—lose residuals when removed from popular platforms like Netflix.

Conventional tools aren’t helpful: fair use; antitrust—pacing and breadth problems; statutory licenses siloed by medium & tech and don’t speak to suppression or streaming; misuse is closest but that’s a defense targeting license term rather than refusals to license.

Proposed interventions: nonuse reversion rights; reducing write-off incentives/introducing a public access credit; broader conception of consumer harm; open-access analog—currently FCC or FTC lack jurisdiction over streaming but we could impose some preservation mandate.

Trademarks as Gatekeepers in Open Culture, Aman Gebru

Open platforms invite community investment but retain a less visible, restrictive layer of control—descriptively, use TM on the back end. Welcome your investment until the platform is mature, then strategy of being more restrictive. Case studies.

Reliance-based information asymmetry: encourage people to contribute resources for free, then take ownership of the value thus created. Case study: WordPress: widely used nonprofit open-source content management system. Automattic v. WP Engine: competitors in for profit services built on WordPress—TM claims made against competitor; blocked access to wordpress.org. Divided community—some say that for-profit entities should have to donate/help out; others say that a single person shouldn’t control open access resources.

Dungeons & Dragons: open game license in 2000; updated in 2023 with an even more permissive and irrevocable public © license. Independent publishers invested resources developing compatible products, but leaked documents indicated Wizards of the Coast intended to substantially limit those permissions and demand royalties for projects making over $750,000.

SSRN: acquired by for-profit Elsevier in 2016. Widespread concerns about restrictive commercial practices, but concerning & unclear changes to permissions.

Musk v. OpenAI—unjust enrichment b/c OpenAI was founded in 2015 as a nonprofit research lab. No ruling on the merits, but does demonstrate reliance concerns for investment early on that is then exploited.

Reasonableness of reliance: public is not unreasonable to expect continued access to a platform. Cultivation of openness goes beyond terms & conditions, even if they preserve the power to restrict.

Q for Gebru: in past, this happened with cable retransmission of broadcast—a new business model for profiting from what was freely distributed. What’s the history?

[RT for Gebru: distinguish impersonation? AO3, which is nonprofit & open source, deals with commercial exploitation that puts user privacy and security at risk, e.g. if users input their passwords through an unofficial app; confusion is a real risk for some unauthorized uses. Maybe the answer is that most use of AO3 is to post stories and that’s the core promise of the platform, but more details would help.]

Know-How, Dan Traficonte

Know-how is a legal concept used to mean many different things. Methods and techniques: The trade secret equivalent of a method/process patent. Trade secrets are a subset of confidential information; general knowledge, skill, and experience overlap with confidential information but not trade secret. Know-how cross-cuts all three: trade secrets, confidential info, and skill/experience.

Matters to doctrine that trade secret has to be described with reasonable particularity. Uncodifiable know-how can’t be a trade secret; hard-to-codify know-how might be a trade secret if codifiable during litigation; hard to figure out how to do that or identify how much codification is enough.

Employee Privacy and (Un)Reasonable Secrecy Efforts, Deepa Varadarajan

Apple allegedly spies on workers’ personal devices while NY limited access to personal social media accounts. Problem: trade secret law doesn’t pay attention to employee privacy, which is problematic given the field’s concerns with (1) commercial morality and (2) employee ability to move. Reasonable efforts to maintain secrecy should not require privacy invasion, but are often used to justify invasions. No court has held RSE unsatisfied due to excessive secrecy.

Unclean hands might be a viable doctrinal alternative.

Strategic Openness in Innovation: When Firms Reveal to Block or Build, Bernhard Ganglmair (with Alexander Kann)

Invention disclosures: in-house journals like IBM’s; commercial outlets like Research Disclosure and IP.com; new platforms like TDCommons (Google, 2015) and proofbox.co. These disclosures are seen and cited in patents. Longer disclosures carry more enabling information and are cited more often. Placement: distance to a firm’s tech core—how central are these disclosures?

Results: mapped length & distance from firm’s core of disclosures. Firms w/longer disclosures place disclosures closer to their own core. Not necessarily industry-specific. Pattern holds even after excluding IBM and other manipulations, over time. Enormous firm heterogeneity.


Friday, May 29, 2026

a bot maybe accessed a former employer's trade secrets; larger trade secret/false advertising issues ensure employer's victory

Capconvert, LLC v. Brown, 2026 WL 1471880, No. 26-cv-02149-CRB (N.D. Cal. May 26, 2026)

Capconvert sued its former employee Brown primarily over alleged misappropriation of Capconvert’s trade secrets and confidential information for use in a competing business venture involving search engine optimization (SEO), generative engine optimization (GEO) (ugh), answer engine optimization (AEO) (double ugh), and paid ad management services. The court followed an earlier TRO by granting a preliminary injunction. I will focus only on the Lanham Act/California FAL claims, except to note that the record contains a document, apparently a prompt to an AI agent, stating “This is the most important rule you have. You violated it on February 26th, 2026, and it nearly destroyed Ben’s career,” purportedly intended to make it “abundantly clear to any agent that I was working with ... to not access any Capconvert ... file.” However, another bot allegedly “disputed” that any such access occurred. Where is the truth? It will likely take many, many expensive hours of lawyer billing time to identify. So if you’re looking for a litigated case to scare people about AI and trade secrets—it has arrived.

Brown’s competing service, Signyl claims to offer the same services as Capconvert. Brown’s LinkedIn page described him as “Managing Partner” of Capconvert, though that was never his role or title. It stated that he worked on Capconvert’s Rankily product, but he did not. The Signyl website states “200+ Brands managed $50M+ Ad spend optimized,” which cannot be true as Signyl had only existed for one month. Brown had no relevant experience in SEO prior to his time at Capconvert, and while there, only brought in one client. He did not manage 200+ Brands or optimize a “$500M+ Ad spend.” The Signyl website also appears to misrepresent Signyl’s performance metrics.

Brown  contended that “the metrics displayed on that site did not relate to Capconvert work” but were “derived from my work predating Capconvert” and that “any public statements I made about my experience were intended to refer to my own prior professional background and track record at Google.”

The court found many of the website claims “plainly false.”  “Signyl has no clients, let alone 200+ clients…. A banner that ‘runs across the front page of the Signyl.agency’ making claims about particular experience necessarily suggests that the experience is that of the company whose website it is. Those claims are false, at least as to Signyl.” Likewise, the claims were material: “Representations of experience across relevant services and with hundreds of brands would likely be material to prospective clients seeking those services.”

However, while the LinkedIn statements were false, Capconvert hadn’t yet demonstrated how it was likely to be injured as a result.

Irreparable harm as to the false advertising was presumed under the Lanham Act, and shown for trade secrets.  “Signyl has only been operational for a couple of months; that it has not yet poached any business from Capconvert using Capconvert’s trade secrets and confidential/proprietary information or by misrepresenting itself on its website does not mean that Signyl is not likely to cause harm going forward.” Likewise, on the balance of equities, the court commented: “Even if an injunction amounted to a shut down, just how much would a preliminary injunction shut down?”


Friday, January 30, 2026

Santa Clara IP Conference: Where Do We Go From Here?

Moderator: Edward Lee, Santa Clara Law

BJ Ard (copyright), University of Wisconsin Law School

© is often displaced by contract and other regimes in sectors—scaling it up or down would produce minimal impact. Consumer copying for example is often solved by non-© solutions: Spotify changed things, as did rise of cloud-based services which meant people had less to share. Content ID can block fair use but does allow lots of uses that otherwise wouldn’t be fair. Even big-budget productions, like video games, don’t rely on © to deter second-comers but on features that are costly to duplicate, actors/TM/ROP protection, sequelization. It’s not that this sector is representative but hybrid relations that are only partly ©-governed exist across the board. Copyright owners use licensing models to overwrite © provisions. Streaming services continue this trend w/no need for legal enforcement b/c access is built into the system.

© is the only policymaking place where concerns about AI are actually being aired, but © can’t stop AI; big © owners are going to license. Given that © isn’t doing as much work in its traditional domains, we shouldn’t expect it to do work in these new domains. Asking it to solve labor issues, market concentration, privacy is likely to fail.

Colleen Chien (patent): AI’s effects on search for examination; AI can also identify potentially infringing products. AI tools used to digest evidence and make predictions. As we see platforms start to make their own IP infringement determinations, we might find them “good enough” w/o need for lawyers. Discussed need for human review—need to figure out.

Camilla Hrdy (trade secret), Rutgers Law School

Trade secret law is different from other IP; often not defined until mid litigation where you perform “identification,” the law of which is in chaos. California wants you to identify the secret before discovery; courts had maybe been converging on that but the 9th Circuit said no, the Defend Trade Secrets Act has a different standard—not reasonable particularity but sufficient particularity; other circuits say different things. Lack of clarity on fundamental initial issue. What does it mean to keep something secret? Not clear; jury left on its own. What does it mean for a secret to be readily ascertainable? In California, the most important trade secret jurisdiction, there isn’t a requirement of lack of ready ascertainability—even if you could perform reverse engineering in 8 hours you can still be liable for getting it from an employee. NJ has the same rule. Lots of lack of clarity about workers’ high level knowledge and experience—lots of courts think that asking about that is the same as asking whether something is generally known in the field. Not clear about what it takes for a secret to have independent economic value—lots of courts just look at whether you invested in the information. We need more people thinking about trade secret law! People need to talk to practitioners. We don’t know enough!

Keith Robinson (patent), Wake Forest University School of Law

Uncertainty around what counts as invention. Mental conception doesn’t really match with the evidence we look for (documentary: notebook, emails, other records). Identifying a problem rarely matters. Even a highly specific articulation of a problem is typically insufficient unless paired w/ a concrete solution.

Jennifer Rothman (right of publicity), Univ. of Pennsylvania Carey Law School

Identity thicket: overlapping rights. People have been registering marks in names/likenesses for a while; current focus on Matthew McConaghey is perplexing to her (and me). But we might highlight how rights are being separated out w/potentially different controllers and licensees. There used to be a lot more distinction b/t people using name as business name/putting it on goods/services. But now the Lanham Act and states protect use of names, voices, and images as marks, at least if we are commercializing them in some way. The PR stunt of the registrations is more interesting: he has a deal for use of his voice as a voice clone that can speak multiple languages—it’s a way to market his deal. False advertising law is also relevant to these uses. © is also relevant and maybe is less peripheral than Ard said. Are digital replicas uncopyrightable? Unclear! There are pending registrations. If registrable, can there be multiple registrations of a digital replica as you can have multiple registrations of photos of a person? If so, what’s infringement? We’ll see people leveraging © this way more. © one’s personality or “character” bible in the same way people © scripts. Music industry has already made © claims that using similar voices is infringing.

At the federal level Take It Down is about intimate images; No Fakes is also under consideration to regulate digital replicas generally. There’s so much going on: that’s the identity thicket. And one person might not control all these rights; rights conflicts are possible, raising serious concerns about a human-centered approach. Compare to EU approach, focusing on concerns about the underlying person being depicted and secondarily on the public.

Capitol Hill: not clear what will happen, if anything. But it won’t help matters very much b/c unlikely to preempt the thicket that already exists. And won’t address concerns about transferring rights away from underlying person, or about deception licensed by the underlying person. Considering model state ROP law to address more of these issues, especially transferring someone’s own name, likeness etc away from them—has seen SAG realize this is a problem. Might see more of an appetite for repealing CDA 230; shifts in tech to build guardrails; we might see shifts in preferences for authenticity—hopes for the renaissance of theater.

Thursday, December 11, 2025

despite rejecting Lanham Act PI, court enjoins D from making negative statements about P in public if prospective customers might see

Red Sense LLC v. Bohuslavskiy, 2025 WL 3539968, No. 25cv12281 (EP) (AME) (D.N.J. Dec. 10, 2025)

This case illustrates that tortious interference has a small remaining scope—where there’s no “commercial advertising or promotion” because of the failure to solicit a substantial number of the relevant consumers in the context of the relevant industry, targeting specific consumers with false claims can still constitute tortious interference. The preliminary injunction bars both targeting and certain public statements, which the court warns it will treat as targeting. I’ll ignore the trade secret claims, but they are also present.

RedSense offers cybersecurity threat monitoring and reporting services. Bohuslavskiy was RedSense’s former Chief Research Officer; Red Sense targeted his acts both before and after his resignation. (The principals left another company to found RedSense and recruited him from there, which probably makes their trade secret claims seem bitterly ironic to their former employers.) [Information about clients redacted.] RedSense alleged that, for cybersecurity companies—which have intimate knowledge of their customers’ vulnerabilities—a “rumor regarding impropriety, ethical concerns, or a similar vulnerability is enough to ruin the service provider’s reputation and cause a customer to seek their threat intelligence from another more reputable source that they can trust.”

Bohuslavskiy agreed to provide “ ‘in kind funding’ in the form of Threat Intelligence and Intellectual Property for [RedSense’s] benefit and use by [RedSense] in lieu of the $100,000 seed funding contribution.” Bohuslavskiy represented to RedSense to that he had ownership rights in this IP as a co-founder of the previous employer.

Bohuslavskiy allegedly promised multiple customers an AI-driven search and report generation tool that would allow RedSense to provide more targeted threat intelligence reporting, but did not deliver. Key customers such as [Redacted] allegedly “have questioned the value of the RedSense deliverables absent this automation tool.”

Bohuslavskiy disputed RedSense’s account and argued that he was developing the AI tool on the side, and delivered a different product as promised. He alleged that a key principal attacked Bohuslavskiy’s ethnicity and immigration status, and that his complaints were ignored: After Bohuslavskiy “confided” in a different principal about his concerns as an immigrant in light of the new administration, the other one implied via text that he would report Bohuslavskiy and his family if Bohuslavskiy did not “do [his] job.” At an emergency partner meeting, another principal allegedly stated that RedSense was “in the zone of insolvency” and suspended all partner distributions. Bohuslavskiy’s position was rendered an “unpaid job,” and Bohuslavskiy and his team went weeks without pay. He ultimately resigned, with his brother, “[d]ue to the unilateral and arbitrary use of company finances by the CEO—actions [they] perceive as coercion against our subordinates—as well as breaches of signed contracts and unresolved financial disputes.”

However, he argued that he resigned only as CRO and retained his partnership interests. Via email, he stated that, “as a partner of RedSense,” he would “be informing each customer about this illegal action tomorrow, as well as what lead [sic] to it. With all screenshots and evidence attached.”

As promised, despite a C&D from RedSense’s counsel, Bohuslavskiy began contacting many of RedSense’s existing and prospective customers—at least a dozen. In emails to at least two customers, Bohuslavskiy stated he “recently resigned from RedSense due to ethical and contractual concerns” and that despite his resignation, he remains a co-founder, partner, and shareholder of RedSense, and therefore, will continue to honor his obligations to ensure “seamless intel provision and continuity.” In some follow-up emails, Bohuslavskiy also provided threat intelligence reports and offered to schedule a briefing with a client “consistent with [his] previous briefings.” He also made a public LinkedIn post regarding his resignation as CRO from RedSense.

According to Red Sense, customers are not sure who is responsible for providing the contracted-for services—RedSense or Bohuslavskiy—and some customers have even asked whether Bohuslavskiy’s emails are part of a scam or from an individual pretending to be Bohuslavskiy. Some customers were unsure of Bohuslavskiy’s status with RedSense given his representations that he is still operating as a representative of RedSense. Several previously satisfied customers “informed RedSense this ongoing issue with Bohuslavskiy has stained RedSense’s reputation and has undermined the otherwise high quality of services customers have received from RedSense.” [Redacted]—RedSense’s largest customer—has directly expressed disappointment and has yet to pay past due subscription fees to RedSense. The Director of Cyber Intelligence and Threat Engineering at [Redacted]–“a strategically important client of RedSense”—told RedSense that it needed to “work it out” with Bohuslavskiy. [Wonder what they’ll think of this result.] A prospective client also supposedly halted discussions with RedSense when Bohuslavskiy made public comments regarding his resignation.

RedSense’s Lanham Act false advertising arguments centered on the emails to “a handful” of RedSense customers.  In previous cases allowing claims based on a few contacts to proceed, “the fact the defendant reached a significant portion of the target audience with its statements was key to the determination that the sharing of information even with a small number of individuals was sufficiently disseminated to be actionable under the Lanham Act.” Here, however, the numerator was “slightly more than a dozen,” and the denominator was a market that is “large and highly competitive … across various industries,” including healthcare. The relevant purchasing public thus included “entire industries, and therefore, is comprised of at least hundreds, if not thousands of companies.” Thus, the emails were not sufficient to constitute advertising or promotion.

But tortious interference succeeded! The court found “a clear intention to maliciously interfere with RedSense’s current contracts.” He badmouthed RedSense and offered to “honor” its obligations to customers, and provided one with a bespoke report that included analysis for [Redacted] on its particular vulnerabilities.

“Bohuslavskiy knew or (at the very minimum) should have known that sending emails directly to known RedSense customers could lead to interference with RedSense contracts.” What is wrongful about the underlying behavior? The court isn’t entirely clear, mentioning falsity but not identifying anything specifically as false. It might be more trade secret-y, since the court also quoted another case stating that the “taking of plaintiff’s confidential and proprietary properly and then using it effectively to target plaintiffs’ clients, is contrary to the notion of free competition that is fair.” “His emails make clear he resigned due to ethical and contractual concerns and that RedSense cut his access to corporate channels of communication, but he also referenced ‘we’ and an intent to ensure seamless integration and continuity.” Thus, “by reaching out to known RedSense clients and providing them with bespoke information and data relevant to their specific needs, he knew or was substantially certain that he would be maliciously interfering with RedSense’s contracts.”

What about loss causation and damages? [Redacted 1’s] complaints were apparently “rooted in product and service-related issues.” [Not what I’d want in an opinion giving me injunctive relief.] Even if those concerns traced back to Bohuslavskiy’s alleged failure to deliver the new AI product, that was separate from whether he has tortiously interfered with RedSense’s contract with [Redacted] by sending them emails.

But [Redacted 2] also apparently informed RedSense that it would not be renewing its subscription service, citing “Bohuslavskiy’s actions as a primary concern” because, despite blocking “Bohuslavskiy’s personal Gmail address ... Bohuslavskiy continued to make contact on non-blocked platforms, including on Signal using an alias.” [Redacted 2] also “articulated security concerns about Bohuslavskiy, including that it feels vulnerable due to Bohuslavskiy’s knowledge of the customer’s cybersecurity concerns.” Thus, RedSense did show causation and damages from that contract.

What about tortious interference with prospective economic advantage? RedSense also showed that it was engaged in “serious discussions with [Redacted], and an executive at [Redacted] told Miller that unless RedSense resolves its issues with Bohuslavskiy, [Redacted] would not retain RedSense’s services.” [Is that caused by defendant’s tortious behavior, or caused by the split? The court does express desire for more detail, presumably as we move on from the PI stage.]

Even if a defendant did not know of a specific contract, he may still be liable for tortious interference if he intended to harm a specific plaintiff, had knowledge of a particular “category of contracts,” and “the resulting consequential damage to that plaintiff was a proximate result of the defendant’s conduct.” This meant that Bohuslavskiy’s LinkedIn post could constitute tortious interference. But, at this stage, that wasn’t enough.

While Bohuslavskiy’s LinkedIn post states that he resigned from RedSense due to “ethical and contractual concerns”—which the court called “a concerningly vague and ominous remark”—that was not the type of conduct that is generally actionable under a claim for tortious interference: there was no trade secret misappropriation or other wrongful attempt to lure away customers. Plus, it wasn’t even clear that RedSense’s contracts with customers should be considered one “category.” It was not clearly reasonably foreseeable that prospective clients like [Redacted] would decide not to enter agreements with RedSense based on Bohuslavskiy’s LinkedIn post.

But he could still have interfered with prospective contract renewals with existing customers, so the same evidence above justified finding likely success on the merits with respect to the emails.

Although economic loss isn’t irreparable harm, RedSense showed irreparable harm because Bohuslavskiy reached out to over at least a dozen other RedSense clients in a similar manner to how he contacted [Redacted] “It is entirely reasonable for RedSense to fear that Bohuslavskiy’s others may terminate their current contracts or decide not to renew their contracts the way [Redacted] did.” Lost goodwill was also sufficient for irreparable harm.

Bohuslavskiy maintained that his outreach to customers was solely in his capacity as a RedSense partner—not as part of a competing venture. “If that is true, then Bohuslavskiy has no competing venture that faces a potential loss of business from an injunction, and given his position that he is a partner in RedSense, he has a strong interest in limiting reputational and financial harm to RedSense.”

Thus, the court enjoined Bohuslavskiy from: (1) publicly or privately soliciting and/or contacting RedSense’s current customers and known prospective customers; (2) publicly or privately denigrating the quality of RedSense’s cybersecurity services to RedSense’s current customers and known prospective customers; and (3) publicly or privately making statements about RedSense and/or its products and services for the purpose of stealing business away from RedSense. The court limited (1) to “customers Bohuslavskiy specifically knows RedSense was soliciting. Given wide swaths of companies could potentially be RedSense customers, the Court will not prohibit Bohuslavskiy from seeking to do business with companies he is not aware RedSense sought to do business with.”

Comment: Why is (2) ok? Some of this would be nonfalsifiable, and we have no finding that any of it is untrue. Shouldn’t the remedy be limited to prohibiting him from soliciting known customers? Seems like a First Amendment problem, especially if he’s not engaging in competing commercial activities. Indeed, in a footnote, the court specifically says: “With respect to enjoining Bohuslavskiy from making false statements publicly or privately about RedSense, RedSense failed to establish a violation of the Lanham Act.” So why is it ok to enjoin an even broader category of statements—negative statements, regardless of truth or falsity? In another footnote, the court justified its restriction on public statements because “RedSense has shown that prospective clients have seen Bohuslavskiy’s LinkedIn post, and that the post has already caused one prospective client to not move forward with RedSense at this time,” so the court warned the defendant that “future public statements may further interfere with RedSense’s business expectancies.” But why would public, untargeted statements, if not false or not falsifiable, be tortious?

Is “gag one party to prevent him from speaking” really the resolution that RedSense’s clients and potential clients wanted to bring them confidence?


Monday, April 29, 2024

Tiktok's other, smaller legal problem

Beijing Meishe Network Technology Co. v. Tiktok Inc., 2024 WL 1772833, No. 23-cv-06012-SI (N.D. Cal. Apr. 23, 2024)

Skipping the copyright and trade secrets part of the case. (In brief: Meishe argued that Tiktok copied its code via an employee who departed. The court found aspects of the copyright/§1202 claims claim insufficiently specifically pled and granted leave to amend, including to add sufficient detail to establish that the works at issue were not US works and thus exempt from the pre-suit registration requirement. The trade secret claims were likewise dismissed with leave to amend, including to specify what acts in furtherance of the offense were committed in the US.)

False designation of origin: Meishe alleged that “TikTok informs users that it owns and has proper rights to the code it uses in its applications”; defendants “have represented that they value intellectual property and would not infringe others’ intellectual property, but have done so as described in this Complaint” and defendants “willfully continued to represent the software as their own, not credited Meishe with being the owners or author of portions of Defendants’ products or code, and not stopped distributing infringing and misappropriated code.” This was classic Dastar. As stated in Luxul Technology Inc. v. Nectarlux, LLC, 78 F. Supp. 3d 1156 (N.D. Cal. 2015) “in this circuit, a reverse passing off claim requires the alteration of a product and a subsequent sale.”

False advertising: Meishe pointed to statements defendants made in their copyright notice at tiktok.com, in the ByteDance Code of Conduct, in TikTok’s Intellectual Property Policy, and in TikTok’s terms of service. But it wasn’t clear that any of these statements were made on the context of “commercial advertising or promotion” or how these statements were likely to influence purchasing decisions by consumers. The court granted leave to amend, but it’s hard to imagine how this gets plausible under the Lanham Act.

 

 

Friday, February 02, 2024

WIPIP Session 1: AI

Nikola Datzov, Can AI Keep a (Trade) Secret?

We’ve funneled IP protection for AI generated inventions/information to trade secrecy w/o patent or copyright for human authors/inventors. But it’s narrow protection b/c there are no choices.

How can we trust AI generated trade secrets? Concerns for bias, discrimination, unfair competition, antitrust. Disclosure to the government has risks for the trade secret owner; Elizabeth Rowe notes that the risk falls on the owner. Will companies rely on such limited protection? Is there sufficient incentive for AI generated innovations?


Disclosure is not the same thing as transparency: having the trade secret doesn’t mean understanding it—it’s just turning a black box over to the government.


Instead, proposes trust but verify: register to certify compliance with regulations, including limited government inspection, similar to source code review in litigation. Enforced w/penalties, including litigation/whistleblower protections.


Lisa Macklem, Harnessing the Robot in the Room

Generative AI could be a boon for Open Educational Resources. Want to be globally available so need to consider more than US, EU, UK guidance. Trying to come up with best practices. International framework does consider education. Transparency requirements: disclosing that content was generated by AI, designing to prevent it from generating illegal content.


Don’t use infringing data; use databases to which you have legitimate access; edit AI generated work for accuracy and to make sure not too much of the original is used. License when absolutely necessary but watch for restrictions on purpose or geography.


In response to Irene Calboli suggesting that this didn’t seem like it would be less resource-intensive: There’s a difference in effort required for assembling materials and checking AI output for accuracy.


Victoria Schwartz, AI Virtual Influencers

ROP covers the issue of real influencers. Virtual influencer names can be trademarks; actual images/AV works are copyright-protected as long as human-created. Some VI can likely receive copyright protection as characters, though not clear what the “work” is—a body of social media posts? Really a spectrum from unfiltered person with no makeup in photos, to carefully posed in makeup, to photoshop and filters, to avatar, to “human created” using CGI, to fully AI created. Claim is that we’re at the end of the spectrum; we may be near that but not quite today (cf. George Carlin brouhaha).


If © is difficult, what about ROP? Lots of people on social media claim to be AI-generated and complain about “stealing my pics.” McCarthy and INTA say ROP is for humans; Nimmer in 1954 suggested that animals, inanimate objects, and business and other institutions could be endowed with “publicity values,” so there should be publicity rights for them. State laws tend to specify living or deceased. California common law doesn’t specify that a “plaintiff” has to be human. Most caselaw on character ROP asks whether an actor playing the character gets a ROP claim without owning the ©; not on point. © is strong enough that it’s usually superior to ROP.


Maybe this is an issue for © preemption.


Eric Goldman: animals and buildings don’t have access to the courts; and there are cases saying no ROP for corporations. (I would also note that the common law clearly doesn’t apply to deceased persons, which suggests something about the meaning of “plaintiff.”)


Tyler Ochoa: why won’t TM law be more valuable? AI generation has nothing to do with TM protectability, and TM need never expire, unlike ROP (in most circumstances). For entertainment or whatever services they offer.


Zahr Said: Precision about what we’re trying to protect is useful! Is it the money, the music, something else? Is there an equitable estoppel element if there’s something deceptive going on? If AI-generated is inaccurate/puffery, should that bother us?


A: disclosure model is already popular for influencers.


Q: will it matter if more polities grant “citizenship” to virtual AIs? Saudi Arabia already did it.


Laura Heymann: Why not start w/potential harms, and then map them onto rights/remedies, instead of starting w/ the idea that there is something to be protected?


A: good idea: we don’t think of ROP as protecting consumers.

Friday, August 04, 2023

IPSC Closing Plenary Session

An Author/Reader Conversation about Jessica Silbey, Against Progress: Intellectual Property and Fundamental Values in the Internet Age (2022)

Robert Brauneis: Three layers—(1) object of discovery: creator and innovator accounts, concerns, what kind of conditions support/hinder them in their work; (2) thinking about IP rules, particularly © for photographers; (3) economic & social vision; equality, dignity, privacy, etc are contrasted to hierarchy, subordination, exclusivity, precarity, commercialization. Changes to IP rules on their own in our world may have little effect on whether we go towards the good vision or the bad—cloud computing, network effects that cause convergence on a small number of intermediaries, and important tech that is protected by secrecy/real and personal property law/employment agreements. IP loosening could not have much effect/even help strengthen corporate consolidation. Norms/inculcation of values and other fields of law like antitrust might be more effective.

Questions about whether creators would agree—Lynn Goldsmith objects to Warhol’s use; maybe that’s an effect of being an unusual use compared to how photographers usually see their works adapted in art. Maybe it’s a sense of breach of contract, but the book describes more tolerance for reuse.

Silbey: ©, TM or patent becomes a device to assert certain things about yourself or your work. Insofar as people like Lynn Goldsmith or the ACLU are using IP to argue for certain justice goals, what IP is and what it’s for may be changing, even if the text doesn’t change.

Deepa Varadarajan: IP is a vital terrain for contesting fundamental values. As fiction author, struck by community norms among creative communities: creators routinely avoid the constraints of IP regulation and err on the side of more promiscuous sharing—fairer uses. But also less willing to tolerate uses “not in the same spirit.” Should IP law try to incorporate more norms, especially when defining a community is getting harder and harder? (Compare BookTok—are readers part of the fiction community?)

Trade secrecy: mixed up with commercial morality and relational duties, not just incentives—is this more receptive to incorporating the broader set of values described the book? Also intersects a great deal w/contracts. Contracts imposed on people w/lower bargaining power can get rid of the limits on trade secret doctrine; this is also a theme of the book—form contracts can undermine the rights and recognitions that creators seek. Pro photographers agree to onerous contracts from longstanding clients in order to retain them. NYT theoretically lost Tasini, but led NYT and others to require fee-free transfers. Giving more rights to authors didn’t give them more bargaining power against aggregators.

Michael Burstein: seems like disorganization is an issue—Conde Nast being able to impose terms on scattered photographers seems like a reason for discontent w/ private ordering

Rebecca Curtin: Important difference from tech upheavals of past. In manuscript to print, you can find readers anticipating what print will facilitate—the concept of an authoritative edition, the professional editor; readers wanted these things before the tech offered them. In Silbey’s book, the tech has lapped creative communities and begun to unravel norms central to creation and dissemination rather than coalescing them.

One lesson: Threats to privacy are threats to communities and practices that sustain creativity. The “clean air and water” of culture are at risk.

Michael Burstein: Presence in narratives of transactions as central—IP might be in the back seat. How the values come into play is less in creation and definition of IP rights and more in their flow, transfer through ecosystems. Equality: in discussion of equality, in Tasini, Roche, and even Kirtsaeng—the first two seem to have resurrected the romantic author not as creator but as transactor: each case claims to protect small creator/inventor, with little awareness of practical effects. IP law of creation isn’t telling the whole story.

Open arrangements/commons-based accounts are largely devoid of law and more about institutional structures/governance and self-ordering that is more than just in the shadow of the law.

Institutional precarity: Declining trust in markets, not in IP law. Creators experience these practices as coercive, hostage-taking, and the effect is on attitudes towards market structure. That’s the domain of other kinds of laws, like antitrust. Those markets obviously depend on definition of goods sold in them, and that can’t be ignored.

Public interest is often missing in anti-discrimination context like Eldred and Golan, and anti-subordination analysis like Tasini and Roche. Individual interest v. public interest opposed in those cases and in Kirtsaeng. Wonders if the baseline in IP renders issues of civil equality more difficult. It’s easier to identify superior moral claim in race/gender discrimination than in the public domain. These are policy choices, pushing IP closer to regulation than to property regimes.

Rosenblatt: power imbalance and the importance of collective action have become more central to our lives/scholarship. Ability/inability of creators to work collectively seems a recurring theme in addressing power imbalance. What does that mean for us as IP thinkers?

Josh Sarnoff: end of liberalism v. paternalism—we’re seeing that play out in IP. Paternalism in IP can be things like preemption overriding contractual waivers/overrides.

Silbey: wanted to reaffirm the idea of the public, not the public domain—we are all in this together, interdependent.

Thursday, June 29, 2023

Transatlantic Dialogue Workshop, Institute for Information Law (IViR), Amsterdam Law School Part 2: Data Access

Impulse Statement: Christophe Geiger: Relevance to © exceptions and limitations—access to © protected work is important for this work. Research organizations have exception in © Directive and also are vital to DSA, so we must look at both. Only digital coordinator-approved researchers are allowed access, with some limited exceptions similar to fallback provisions in DSM Directive art. 4.

Impulse Statement: Sean Flynn: Data protection can be seen as protecting right to privacy but can interfere with right to research. Need balancing/narrow tailoring. Duty to protect: duty to regulate third parties—protecting both privacy rights and researchers in data held by third parties. Duty to promote right of society to benefit from research—similar to duty to create libraries—use the idea to check if we’re balancing rights correctly, regulating appropriate third parties, creating institutions to implement rights.

Europeans were less generous in concepts of “educational”/ “scientific” research than his US perspective—formal research organizations may be required. Journalists in some key categories: are they involved in scientific research? Consumer organizations?

Senftleben: Subordinated to goals of the DSA—research has to be about systemic risk (or mechanisms used by platforms to control systemic risk), which interferes with the freedom of research. If we want researchers to understand what is going on, you have to open up the data silos anyway. Thus there would have been more than enough reason to include a provision opening up data for research in general—trust the research community to formulate the questions. Not reflected in provision. Para. 12 opens up a bit b/c it goes outside the vetted researcher dynamic, but systemic risk defines what can be done with the data.

Keller: the provision formally sets out a really dumb procedure: the researcher formulates the data request without any contact w/platform, gets approval from authority, then goes to platform, which has to respond in 2 weeks. Unlikely to be a format/type of query that is immediately possible to collect, and the platform can only object on 2 enumerated grounds. So the workaround is to create a more dynamic feedback process so researchers can ask for what platforms can actually give. Hopefully an entity set up to deal w/GDPR issues can also check whether the researcher is asking for the right data/what the parameters should be. Hangs on reference to “independent advisory mechanisms” to prevent the process actually described in the DSA from happening.

Elkin-Koren: Example of studying society, not just digital platforms: studying health related factors not caused by platforms but for which platforms have tons of data. Basic/exploratory research where you don’t know the specifics of data you want or specifics of research question but would benefit from exploring what’s there. The key innovation of the DSA is turning research from a private ordering Q into one of public ordering.

Quintais: you have to be careful about who you invite into your research—if the researcher is from outside the jurisdiction they may have to be excluded from the data.

Leistner: one strategy is to interpret research as broadly as possible; another is to ask whether the exception is exclusive. NetDGZ used to have a broader scope; can a member state choose to keep/provide a new exception for research purposes, maybe it is at liberty to do so—there’s no harmonization for general access to data for research purposes. Maybe that is necessary, and it would have to transcend the various IP rights, including © and trade secrets.

Keller: note that having platforms store data in structures amenable to researchers also makes them more attractive to law enforcement. Plus, researchers are likely to find things that they think are evidence of crimes. National security claims: NATO actually indicated that it wanted to be considered a covered research organization. In the US there’s a very real 1A issue about access, but the Texas/Florida social media cases include a question about transparency mandates—not researcher access like this but not unrelated. Also 4A issues.

Comment: No explicit consideration of IP in grounds for rejection but third-party data leads to the same place.

Van Hoboken: Bringing different parts of civil society together for platform accountability for VLOPs; data access is the way to bring in researchers on these risks/mitigation measures. If this provision didn’t exist, you’d have VLOPs doing risk audits/mitigation measures but no way to compare. Some requests will be refused if the platforms say “this isn’t really a risk.” Platforms may also have incentives to deny that something is a mitigation measure to avoid research access. Mid-term value—won’t work fast and maybe will ultimately be defeated.

Goldman: What are Internet Observatory’s experiences w/benefits & threats by House Republicans?

Keller: serious internet researchers among the many academic researchers in the US targeted by various far right people including members of Congress and journalists with good relations w/Elon Musk, targeted as Democratic elite censorship apparatus: allegedly by identifying specific tweets as disinformation, they contributed to suppression of speech in some kind of collusion w/gov’t actors. About 20 lawsuits; [Goldman: subpoenas—information in researchers’ hands is being weaponized—consider this as a warning for people here. His take: they’re trying to harm the research process.] Yes, they’re trying to deter such research and punish the people who already did it, including students’ information when students have already had their parents’ homes targeted. Politicians are threatening academic speech b/c, they say, they’re worried about gov’t suppressing speech.

Goldman: consider the next steps; if you have this information, who will want it from you and what will they do with it? A threat vector for everyone doing the work.

Keller: relates to IP too—today’s academic researcher is tomorrow’s employee of your competitor or of the gov’t; researchers are not pure and nonoverlapping w/other categories.

Elkin-Koren: is the data more secure when held by the platform, though? Can subpoena the platform as well as the university.

Goldman: but you would take this risk into account in your research design, though.

Van Hoboken: At the point this is happening, you have bigger democratic problems; in Europe we are trying to avoid getting there and promote research that has a broader impact. But it’s true there are real safety and politicization issues around what questions you ask.

Goldman: bad faith interpretation of research: the made up debate over

RT: Question spurred by a paper I just read: is the putative “value gap” in © licensing on UGC platforms a systemic risk? Is Content ID a mitigation measure?

[various] Yes and no answers. One: © infringement is illegal content, so you could fit it in somewhere, but to create a problem, it would have to go beyond the legal obligations of Art. 17 b/c there’s already a specific legal obligation.

Keller: don’t you need to do the research to figure out if there’s a problem?

Yes, to study effects of content moderation you need access; can get data with appropriate questions. Could argue it’s discriminatory against independent creators, or that there is overfiltering which there isn’t supposed to be. But that’s not regulated by Art. 17.

Catch-22—you might have to first establish that Content ID is noncompliant before you can get access.

Frosio: you might need the data to test whether there is overblocking. [Which is interesting—what about big © owners who say that it’s not good enough & there’s too much underblocking? Seems like they’d have the same argument in reverse.]

Would need a very tailored argument.

Quintais Follow-up: had conversations with Meta—asked for data to assess whether there was overblocking and their response was “it’s a trade secret.”

Samuelson: Art. 40 process assumes a certain procedure for getting access. One question is can you talk to the platforms first despite the enumerated process. Some people will probably seek access w/o knowing if the data exists. There’s an obligation to at least talk to the approved researchers. But the happy story isn’t the only story: platforms could facilitate good-for-them research.

A: the requirements, if taken seriously, can guard against that—have to be a real academic in some way to be a vetted researcher; reveal funding; not have a commercial interest; underlying concept: the funder can’t have preferred access to the results. Platforms can already fund research if they want to.

Flynn: Ideological think tanks?

A: probably won’t qualify under DSA rules.

Samuelson: but the overseers of this access won’t be able to assess whether the research is well-designed, will they?

A: that’s why there’s an inbetween body that can make recommendations. They propose to provide expertise/advice.

Leistner: Art. 40 comes with a price: concentration of power in Commission, that is the executive and not even the legislature. Issues might arise where we are as scared of the Commission as US folks are of Congress at the moment. That doesn’t mean Art. 40 is bad, but there are no transparency duties on the Commission about what they have done! How the Commission fulfills this powerful role, and what checks and balances might be needed on it, needs to be addressed.

Paddy Leerssen: Comment period: US was the #1 country of response b/c US universities are very interested in access. Scraping issues: access to publicly accessible data/noninterference obligations. How far that goes (overriding contracts, © claims, TPMs) is unclear. Also unclear: who will enforce it.

Conflict with open science/reproducibility/access to data underlying research. Apparent compromise: people who want to replicate will also have to go through the data request process.

Leistner: but best journals require access to data, and giving qualified critics access to that underlying data—your agreement with Nature will say so.

Wednesday, June 15, 2022

dueling SJ motions lose in energy drink case; jury will decide whether "Super Creatine" is "creatine"

Monster Energy Co. v. Vital Pharmaceuticals, Inc., 2022 WL 1599712, No. EDCV 18-1882 JGB (SHKx) (C.D. Cal. Apr. 19, 2022)

The parties compete in the market for energy drinks. VPX (Vital) makes BANG, which now contains creatyl-l-leucine (CLL), “a novel ingredient marketed under the trademark ‘Super Creatine.’ … Defendants claim that CLL is more stable and more bioavailable than other forms of creatine.” Monster alleged that VPX falsely advertised Super Creatine as a source of creatine providing numerous physical and mental benefits, advertising that BANG can improve brain function, has anti-depressive effects, and helps build muscle. VPX allegedly highlights Super Creatine as BANG’s “most important distinguishing feature for purposes of sales.”

But Monster alleged that CLL was neither creatine nor a source of creatine. “Creatine” is generally understood to mean creatine monohydrate. It was undisputed that BANG does not contain creatine monohydrate. Further, no peer-reviewed study has examined CLL’s benefits, its metabolic fate, or whether it is an effective source of creatine.

Monster also alleged interference with its shelf space agreements. Shelf space is vital to energy drinks, and so they contract for it, overriding retailers’ allocation discretion. Monster alleged that VPX directed BANG representatives to displace competing energy drinks, including Monster, from their contractually guaranteed shelf space and replace it with BANG at retail locations in numerous states. Vital disputed this. There were also trade secret claims based on allegations that VPX offered former Monster employees jobs with a significant salary increase, under the precondition that they bring Monster’s confidential pricing data with them; VPX admitted that at least one former Monster employee retained and accessed information and documents belonging to Monster after joining VPX.

Here, the court denied Monster’s motion for partial summary judgment on the false advertising claim.

This was not a literal falsity case, even though it’s about what “Super Creatine” etc. means, because none of the allegedly false statements actually said “source of creatine.” Monster pointed to the use of “Super Creatine,” “creatine bonded to L-leucine” or “Stable Aqueous Amide-Protected Bioactive Creatine Species,” statements that BANG contains “Creatine, Caffeine, CoQ10 & BCAAs,” the slogan “Ice Cold Creatine,” equation of the health

benefits of creatine monohydrate with those of CLL; and referencing “creatine” without specifying Super Creatine or creatine monohydrate. [I think Monster is a trademark bully but in this it seems correct.]

Nonetheless, the court found that there was no unambiguous statement of fact here. “[S]ource of creatine” is vague. [But even if consumers don’t understand the chemical formula—any more than they understand how 55 mpg is calculated—it looks like an ingredient. If this were about how much creatine was in the product, the objection would be better taken.]

Monster also conceded that “creatine” had several different meanings. One expert report identified three different usages: (1) naturally occurring creatine, or “endogenous creatine,” (2) “creatine monohydrate,” which is what “the sports nutrition and exercise science community” understand as “creatine,” and (3) alternate and “novel forms” of creatine that are not creatine monohydrate.

The court seems to have given a cramped reading to Monster’s argument, suggesting that Monster itself defined “source of creatine” two ways: (1) a product or substance that “contains” creatine, and (2) a product or substance that is a “creatine supplement,” or “dietary source of creatine.” The first definition was used to address statements claiming that Super Creatine is “creatine,” and the second to statements that Super Creatine provides the benefits of “creatine,” where Monster argued that “[b]ecause it is not creatine, for CLL to be considered a source of creatine, it must convert into creatine and increase the body’s creatine levels.” But these seem like very much two sides of the same coin for a dietary supplement. If the drink contains something that VPX calls “creatine,” but is not the same thing that everyone else calls creatine, and it doesn’t have the benefits of the thing that everyone else calls creatine, that sure seems like a reason to reject an attempt to expand the definition of “creatine” to CLL.

This was not a case involving “a specifically defined claim expressly stated by the defendant.” [Again, “Stable Aqueous Amide-Protected Bioactive Creatine Species” and claims to include “creatine” sure sound that way—it’s just that the claim has been packed into words representing a chemical.] So there was nothing here definitively “capable of being proved false or reasonably interpreted as a statement of fact.”

Even if “source of creatine” had been a statement of fact, Monster failed to show that any ads unambiguously conveyed that BANG or Super Creatine was a “source of creatine.” The court also found that none of the challenged statement expressly claimed that Super Creatine was creatine or that Super Creatine provides the benefits of “creatine.” The labels might be misleading, but they weren’t expressly false. [I admit, I would be tempted to use falsity by necessary implication here.]

Consider the labels: Every label has “SUPER CREATINE” printed at the top alongside “ULTRA COQ10.” Older labels say: “Power up with BANG’s potent brain & body-rocking fuel: Creatine, Caffeine, CoQ10 & BCAAs (Branched Chain Amino Acids).” Newer labels replace “Creatine” with “Super Creatine®” and BCAAs with “EAAs (Essential Amino Acids).” Each label lists “SUPER CREATINE (Creatyl L-Leucine [creatine bonded to L-Leucine])” as an ingredient. The phrase “Stable Aqueous Amide-Protected Bioactive Creatine Species” runs next to the nutrition panel with CLL’s patent number for CLL. Thus, the ingredients section specifically defined Super Creatine as CLL, and the old labels never stated “creatine” without also stating “Super Creatine” elsewhere.

At least the court agreed that this necessarily implied that Super Creatine is a form of “creatine.” “Using ‘creatine’ more than once to describe Super Creatine unambiguously expresses that Super Creatine is creatine.” But Monster tripped itself up by arguing that VPX necessarily implied that BANG and Super Creatine were a “source of creatine.” “Unless a consumer integrates an outside understanding of ‘source’ and ‘creatine,’ a consumer is unlikely to reach this conclusion.” [I do not understand. If my supplement’s ingredients say “calcium,” it would seem bizarre for me to think “oh, it might not be a source of calcium, it might only contain calcium but not be a source of it.”] Monster offered no evidence that consumers would understand that the labels would be understood as promising a “source of creatine.”

Also: “Because other key ingredients, such as ‘Ultra CoQ10,’ ‘BCAA Aminos,’ and ‘EAA Aminos,’ are highlighted with Super Creatine, a consumer is unlikely to conclude that BANG specifically supplements creatine.” My peanut butter ingredient list says peanuts and salt. I expect both ingredients to be in there! I assume there’s some spillover here from the implausible stuff lots of supplements say about supporting bodily mechanisms, but I don’t think that should let courts create markets for lemons.

Anyway, Monster failed to show literal falsity definitively. One of its experts stated that CLL “is not bioavailable” and that even a “high-dose CLL has no effect on blood, muscle, or brain creatine content.” Another expert stated that Super Creatine contains a creatyl amide, which is structurally different from “the creatine complex.” But he opined that it was “inaccurate”—not “outright false,” a term the court apparently wanted him to use, to describe CLL or Super Creatine as “creatine,” “a form of creatine,” or “containing creatine.” Defendants’ expert opined that CLL is a form of creatine. And both parties submitted evidence that the word “creatine” has many different usages, including most commonly for naturally occurring creatine and creatine monohydrate.

“Drawing all inferences in Defendants’ favor, the Court finds that the evidence does not definitely show that Super Creatine is not creatine or not a source of creatine.”

VPX also allegedly advertised Super Creatine as providing the health benefits of “creatine.” It Monster identified statements in social media posts, online marketing, press releases, and other advertisements at trade shows, expos, and in retail stores, as well as emails to retail and distribution partners. The court excluded consideration of the emails to retail and distribution partners because they weren’t “commercial advertising or promotion.” However, oral statements to customers and statements made in the context of contract negotiations were commercial advertising.

The identified statements necessarily implied that Super Creatine has creatine’s health benefits. E.g., “Here’s what Super Creatine has been proven to do for you: Be neuroprotective in the brain, Increases cognition, Increases attention span, Delays mental fatigue, Has anti-depressive effects, Has antioxidant effects in the brain.” Another post claimed, among other things, that Super Creatine’s solubility meant “increased bio-availability.”  

By emphasizing bioavailability, solubility, and sports nutrition, the posts unambiguously express that Super Creatine will be absorbed in the body and provide the same, if not more, health benefits than creatine. The posts also convey that BANG is healthier than other energy drinks because it contains less sugar and more fueling ingredients like creatine. References to science and the picture of the beaker support this message.

Moreover, “Monster sets forth significant evidence to suggest that this claim is literally false,” but that wasn’t enough to avoid a jury, because the posts didn’t necessarily imply that Super Creatine and BANG were a “source of creatine.” I’m basically just confused at this point. The court seems to have seized on the phrase “source of creatine”—perhaps encouraged by Monster—as somehow inherently different from “provides the benefits of creatine,” which in context I don’t think it can be.

Without literal falsity, deception would not be presumed either. So too with materiality. If “equating Super Creatine with creatine and stating that Super Creatine offers the benefits of creatine misrepresent an ingredient, which is an inherent quality of Super Creatine” was at the core of Monster’s claim, then Monster had evidence of materiality, such as consumer inquiries about creatine in BANG, the prominence of “SUPER CREATINE” in Defendants’ advertising, and a key principal’s statements that Super Creatine is “the primary ingredient found in BANG, which drives the BANG formula.” But because Monster was challenging “source of creatine,” it didn’t show materiality. It also didn’t show that statements about BANG/Super Creatine as a “source of creatine” entered interstate commerce. [Uh, what? That’s not a failure on the interstate commerce element!]

On the other hand, the court declined to award defendants summary judgment on the Lanham Act/UCL/FAL claims (I’m mostly ignoring the other claims).

Here, the court declined to consider press releases as commercial advertising or promotion because there was no evidence they were actually distributed to the relevant public. “By contrast, one of the presentations includes language that it is a presentation typically shared with potential distributors and retailers. The Court finds that this presentation constitutes commercial advertising or promotion.”

The labels and presentations necessarily implied that “Super Creatine” was creatine. VPX didn’t submit any evidence that consumers distinguished the two, while Monster submitted evidence that creatine in dietary products is generally understood as creatine monohydrate. There was also a genuine dispute over falsity. Likewise, a jury could conclude that, by using the term Super Creatine, the label necessarily conveys that BANG contains creatine.

And a jury could conclude that VPX was falsely claiming that Super Creatine provides the benefits of creatine. VPX argued that “power up with BANG’s potent brain & body-rocking fuel” was puffery, but that statement couldn’t be considered in isolation. “Together, the emphasis on ‘Super Creatine’ as a nutritional ingredient combined with the statement ‘potent brain & body-rocking fuel’ necessarily implies that Super Creatine provides benefits.” So too with the social media posts that made a bunch of claims about BANG’s special effectiveness because it has Supre Creatine.

VPX definitely didn’t prove truth. Its evidence was “the opinions of experts that, due to the lack of studies around Super Creatine, they could not absolutely rule out a possibility that Super Creatine breaks down into creatine when consumed.” Monster, on the other hand, subitted expert reports and studies that show Super Creatine is not bioavailable, meaning that it does not break down into creatine or increase endogenous creatine levels when ingested. “Under these circumstances, a reasonable jury is likely to conclude that a claim that Super Creatine provides the health benefits of creatine is literally false.”

Patent-based claims: Monster alleged that references to U.S. Patent Number 8,445,466 in Vital promotions and directly on BANG can labels were literally false, as the PTO rejected the ‘466 Patent. But the cancellation is still pending, so the statement wasn’t literally false, and Monster forfeited a misleadingness argument, so VPX won summary judgment on the patent-related statements.

“Sugar crashes”: BANG labels say “BANG is not your stereotypical high sugar, life-sucking soda masquerading as an energy drink! High sugar drinks spike blood sugar producing metabolic mayhem causing you to crash harder than a test dummy into a brick wall.” VPX said this was puffery, or true because sugar-sweetened beverages can cause crashes.

Monster argues that the statement is literally false because a “crash” describes reactive hypoglycemia, which its expert opined was different from the common feeling of fatigue that follows consumption of carbohydrates. The expert also opined that hypoglycemia was unlikely to occur from consuming Monster’s energy drink.

The court found that the statement wasn’t puffery, because it “unambiguously implies that energy drinks from competitors are high in sugar and cause sugar crashes.” But Monster failed to create a fact issue on literal falsity. “[A] reasonable jury is unlikely to conclude that a ‘sugar crash’ can only refer to hypoglycemia.” Still, there was evidence of misleadingness, so that theory could continue.

Deception/materiality: also enough to continue given the genuine dispute on literal falsity and evidence of materiality from multiple consumer surveys. It was undisputed that at least some surveyed consumers indicated that they believed and liked that BANG’s label and that “Super Creatine” communicate that BANG contains creatine or more creatine. Some consumers in the surveys also chose “health benefits” as important to their decision to purchase BANG. With respect to “sugar crash,” Monster submitted some evidence of misled or confused consumers, such as survey participants who indicated that they liked BANG for its claims that it was a “healthier alternative to energy drinks” and labeled as containing “0 sugar, 0 calories, 0 carbs.”

Damages: Another genuine dispute. One survey found that 61.5% of surveyed BANG consumers “stated they would purchase Monster instead of Bang and 14.2% stated they would purchase Reign instead of Bang,” if “Super Creatine” were removed from Bang.” Also, the same survey indicated that most of the BANG consumer participants expected BANG to contain more Super Creatine or creatine than it actually did, and would purchase less if they knew the actual level.

An individual defendant, CEO Owoc, argued that he couldn’t be held vicariously liable for torts in which he didn’t participate. “[T]he individual officer or director will be immune unless he authorizes, directs, or in some meaningful sense actively participates in the wrongful conduct.” But a reasonable jury could credit the evidence that he did—he testified at deposition that he “personally oversee[s] VPX’s advertising and marketing,” and that he is VPX’s “chief scientific officer,” who invented Super Creatine and worked to develop the BANG formula. The sales VP testified that Owoc decides what features VPX should highlight to retailers when promoting or selling BANG. And he made social media posts containing the claims at issue! “Under these facts, a reasonable jury could find that Mr. Owoc is liable for false advertising.”

Shelf space interference: Monster submitted evidence of valid contracts, and of VPX’s knowledge thereof. [IIRC, VPX posted on social media about this!] Deposition testimony of VPX executives and employees attested that they generally knew Monster held contracts with some retailers for shelf space and that VPX employees placed BANG in Monster’s contracted-for space. “One employee testified that when he moved Monster products from a shelf for BANG, he was told by the retailer that Monster contracted for the space.” This also was evidence of intentional interference. There was contrary evidence. But overall, there was evidence that “BANG employees intended to move Monster drinks from Monster’s contracted-for space, were sometimes instructed to do so, and understood that shelf space interference was a strategy to gain a competitive advantage.” Owoc even testified in his deposition that “he instructed employees to take the shelf space of all competitors, though he could not specifically recall whether he had instructed employees to take Monster’s shelf space.”

Though Monster didn’t show any resulting contract termination, breach or disruption was enough. “A reasonable jury would likely conclude that the placement of non-Monster products on shelf space Monster contracts is a disruption of Monster’s contracts.” And Monster’s damages expert estimated the resulting damages, along with a Monster executive’s testimony about a disrupted launch.

Likewise, a reasonable jury could conclude that Owoc was personally liable because he directed VPX employees to run shelf space interference, including with Monster’s contracted-for space. He also “ratified VPX’s employees’ efforts to steal Monster’s space when they sent him pictures documenting the interference.”

On intentional interference with prospective economic advantage, however, an independently wrongful act is required since there’s no interference with a contract. Competition is not independently wrongful unless carried out by improper means. Though VPX may have falsely advertised BANG to retailers, Monster’s evidence failed to link VPX’s false advertising with shelf space interference. “A reasonable jury may infer from this evidence that retailers stocked BANG as a result of VPX’s allegedly false statements. Critically, however, Monster proffers no evidence that shows VPX made these claims to interfere specifically with Monster’s shelf space contracts.”

The trade secret claims headed to a jury, though not against Owoc individually because of lack of evidence that he understood that the relevant information had been obtained by improper means or specifically authorized or directed VPX’s misappropriation of Monster’s trade secrets. It wasn’t enough that he encouraged hiring former employees of certain competitors, including Monster, and some of these employees allegedly misappropriated Monster’s trade secrets. CFAA claims against VPX also survived.