Wednesday, August 17, 2016
Amicus in LV v. My Other Bag
Chris Sprigman and I organized a law professors' brief supporting My Other Bag in LV's appeal from the well-reasoned district court opinion. Open call for anyone defending against a dilution claim: it's time for the straight-up First Amendment challenge, and I am interested in providing amicus support for anyone who wants to do that.
Tuesday, August 16, 2016
Reading list: Rothman on (c)/right of publicity conflicts
Jennifer Rothman, The Other Side of Garcia: The Right of Publicity and Copyright Preemption, Columbia Journal of Law & the Arts, Vol. 39, No. 3, 2016. Abstract:
This essay is adapted from a talk that I gave on October 2, 2015 at Columbia Law School’s annual Kernochan Center Symposium. The all-day conference focused on Copyright Outside the Box. The essay considers the aftermath of Garcia v. Google, Inc., and the Ninth Circuit’s suggestion in that case that Garcia might have a right of publicity claim against the filmmakers, even though her copyright claim failed. The essay provides a partial update of my prior work, Copyright Preemption and the Right of Publicity, 36 U.C. Davis L. Rev. 199 (2002), and suggests that despite numerous cases over the last decade, the law remains mired in confusion and contradictory decisions. Courts continue to apply the unworkable Section 301 from the Copyright Act, instead of applying broader principles of conflict preemption for which I have long advocated. Worst of all, the right of publicity remains on a collision course with copyright law with insufficient guidance as to when it should be preempted.
Monday, August 15, 2016
CustomMade doesn't know about USOC's anti-free-speech stance
Or has taken Nick Fury's excellent approach. Consider this email below: pure truth, from all that appears. Even assuming SFAA is still good law, shouldn't the First Amendment protect this speech?
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Trump hotel fails in suit against unionizers
Trump Ruffin
Commercial, LLC v. Local Joint Executive Board Las Vegas, Culinary Workers
Union Local 226, No. 15-cv-01984, 2016 WL 4208437 (D. Nev. Aug. 8, 2016)
Plaintiff
corporations own and operate Trump Hotel Las Vegas. Defendants are labor unions
attempting to unionize Trump Hotel Las Vegas employees. On October 8, 2015,
Trump gave a speech in Las Vegas; Trump Hotel Las Vegas does not have a large
enough space to host the event, so Trump’s speech took place at the Treasure
Island Hotel.
Plaintiffs alleged
that defendants circulated a flyer with a photo of people carrying picket signs
with the words “No Contract No Peace” and a banner reading “MAKE AMERICA GREAT
AGAIN! MR. TRUMP, START HERE” above Defendants’ names and logos. It continued:
Donald Trump is in Las Vegas this evening. Even though he owns a hotel
here, he is staying at the Treasure Island Hotel & Casino (TI). Workers at
the TI are members of the Culinary Union. They make an average of $3.33 more
per hour than Trump workers, have affordable health insurance, and a secure
retirement. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has refused to agree to a fair process for
workers at his hotel to form a union. If Trump chooses to stay in a union
hotel, why can’t Trump Hotel workers choose to form a union?
The Flyer encouraged
its readers to “[t]alk to your committee leaders about your right to participate
in Union activities[.]”
Plaintiffs sued for
violation of the Lanham Act and deceptive trade practices under Nevada
law. Though plaintiffs adequately
alleged falsity, they didn’t allege “commercial advertising or promotion.” The court cited a definition that included
“commercial competition with plaintiff,” but that didn’t matter to its
analysis, which is good because of the unlikelihood that competition is
required post-Lexmark. Instead, the court concluded that the alleged
statements weren’t commercial speech. They were, according to the complaint, “designed
to call attention to the [labor] dispute” and “intended to, and would have the
tendency to cause, harm to the reputation of Trump Hotel Las Vegas.” That
didn’t make the statements advertisements for a product or service, nor a
proposal for commercial transactions nor did that allege that the statements
were motivated by defendants’ commercial interests. Further, “[n]egative
commentary ... does more than propose a commercial transaction and is,
therefore, non-commercial.”
The dismissal was
without prejudice, and the court also dismissed the state-law claims as a
matter of its discretion.
Burr Shot First
Hamilton/Star Wars crossover: what IP rights, if any, are implicated? Does it matter whether the ad copy mentions Hamilton?
Cheerios Protein name might be more bluff than buff
Coe v. General
Mills, Inc., No. 15-cv-05112, 2016 WL 4208287 (N.D. Cal. Aug. 10, 2016)
Plaintiffs alleged the
name “Cheerios Protein” was misleading because it implied that the product is
essentially the same as Cheerios, only with added protein. Cheerios Protein
does have more protein than regular Cheerios (7 grams per serving versus 3
grams per serving), but plaintiffs alleged that the amount of additional
protein wasn’t material, particularly considering the larger serving size and
calories per serving of Cheerios Protein. Plaintiffs calculated that 200 [grams?]
of Cheerios contained 6 grams of protein, whereas 200 grams of Cheerios Protein
contained 6.4 or 6.7 grams of protein, depending on the flavor (Oats &
Honey or Cinnamon Almond). Moreover, “Cheerios
Protein” was allegedly misleading because it said nothing about added sugar. A
single serving of Cheerios contains only 1 gram of sugar, but a single serving
of Cheerios Protein contains 16 or 17 grams of sugar. Plaintiffs also challenged certain label
statements: that the product provides “a great start to your day,” enables you
to “start your school day right,” and allows you to “kick-start your day.” And
they challenged a “Fuel Up” ad, in which a NASCAR driver picks up a child
and races him to school, where “he is fed Cheerios Protein pit-stop style.” They
brought California and New York claims.
GM argued FDCA
preemption, and plaintiffs argued that their claims were “identical to the
federal labeling requirements.” They
alleged violations of some specific regulations about food naming, which the
court found were inapplicable because “Cheerios” is not the common or usual
name of the food or of an ingredient.
However, the FDCA also calls a food “misbranded” if its “labeling is
false or misleading in any particular.”
“By its terms, the express preemption provision does not bar the
enforcement of state laws imposing requirements of that type – that is, a
state-law mirror of the requirement in § 343(a)(1) addressing false or
misleading labels.” The only limit is
that a claim under this provision would be barred if the challenged aspects of
the label complied with a specific federal regulation. A statement cannot be
“false or misleading” “where challenged conduct is expressly required or
permitted by FDA regulations.”
GM argued that “Cheerios
Protein” was a permissible implied nutrient content claim under FDA regulations
that allow certain statements about the amount or percentage of a nutrient. But “Cheerios Protein” didn’t imply that the
product contains any certain amount or percentage, or make a “good source”
claim (also regulated). Plaintiffs’ claims fell under the catch-all provision and
weren’t preempted.
The court also
dismissed a few statements as puffery, but found that the factual status of
most were not suitable for resolution on a motion to dismiss. Though the box disclosed the sugar content
and said “sweetened,” those were less prominent than other components of the
label, including the “Cheerios Protein” name and the number of grams of protein
in each serving. “While the Court is
skeptical that a reasonable consumer would be misled by the labeling of
Cheerios Protein, it cannot say, construing the allegations in a light most
favorable to Plaintiffs, that it would be impossible for Plaintiffs ‘to prove
that a reasonable consumer was likely to be deceived.’” The other label statements were also not
subject to dismissal because they might contribute to the deceptiveness of the
package as a whole.
However, the “fuel
up” claims in the TV ad were “too
general to constitute an actionable statement. The advertisement’s claims that
eating Cheerios Protein is akin to ‘fueling up’ a race car driver are ‘so
exaggerated as to preclude reliance by consumers,’ and ‘a reasonable consumer
would not interpret the statement as a reliably factual claim.’”
The court also
agreed with “the majority view...that a plaintiff must allege the intent to
purchase a product in the future in order to have standing to seek prospective
injunctive relief.” The injunctive relief request was dismissed with leave to
amend.
Friday, August 12, 2016
IPSC: Closing Plenary Session
The Nature of
Sequential Innovation
Christopher
Sprigman, Christopher Buccafusco & Stefan Bechtold
How to pick between
innovating or borrowing. “Cinderella Man”
is harder to develop than another movie about Rocky. Risky, as is question about whether to
develop another erectile dysfunction drug.
Differently risky. In our
framework, innovation is not always optimal, either privately or socially.
Innovation doesn’t produce novelty by necessary; borrowing isn’t necessarily a
change from stasis.
Literature on
innovation and the firm; literature on IP and sequential creativity. There’s a rich literature on innovative
firms, but what about borrowing firms?
Factors that influence sequential innovation. Literature has looked at
legal factors, esp. IP law. We want to
broaden that focus to consider not just legal factors but others—market,
behavioral, tech/artistic.
IP laws affect the
scope of available innovation space. For
example, blocking patents allow more room for sequential innovation than ©’s
derivative works rights. But also:
administrative law, tort law, tax law—differentially treats innovation v.
borrowing. Nonlegal factors: maturity of
the field. Borrowing expands until a
certain point and then leapfrog innovations redefine/expand the innovation
space. In smartphone, innovation is
highly dependent on borrowing, as opposed to painting. Tacit knowledge:
difficult to convey; can reduce borrowing.
Market factors: consumers’ taste for innovation in a particular field v.
borrowing. Low tolerance for borrowing in
paintings; high tolerance for borrowing in pharmaceuticals. Market
participant/intermediaries: PROs lead to a lot of borrowing of musical
compositions.
Behavioral factors:
risk/uncertainty tolerance (innovation has greater risk profile); optimism bias
(sanguine about ability to create/invent around); creativity effects (upstream
creators may overprice inputs to downstream).
Much more complicated than changing the law to create a clear fix. Policy levers: if you try to shift pharma
from borrowing to innovation, will there be factors in market/tech that push
against this or are legal factors from other areas, such as tax, much cheaper
way to shift mix of innovation and borrowing in a particular field?
Lemley: innovation
often goes along w/having to take a license b/c of patent threats. How does that affect your space? The story for innovating v. borrowing assumes
that I put in the uncertain, risky work but may get a valuable reward, one part
of which is insulation from control by other people. That might be more true in
©, but not true in patent. May drive
people in a curious, ironic way towards borrowing.
Sprigman: in patent,
b/c independent invention isn’t a defense, part of risk of innovation is info
risk, and that might not be fixed by search.
Q: overlap in
rights?
Sprigman:
location/negotiation of lots of rightsholders can be a problem. Smartphones =
tons of transaction costs.
Rosenblatt: I could
imagine exactly the opposite story—if creators are risk and uncertainty averse,
they’re less likely to borrow b/c they don’t know what the law will do
(uncertain about legal effects of their actions), so they’ll go away as far as
possible. Optimism bias could drive them to think they won’t be sued or that
they won’t be found to be infringing.
Buccafusco: there
are probabilities on both sides of the equation, so it’s really hard. You can’t
be uncertainty averse to both; what matters is relative salience; whether
people treat those as losses v. gains, etc.
Q: what about people
who just decide not to take either risk?
[People v. firms? One might decide to be an employee, but can a firm
decide this?]
Buccafusco: theory
of the firm literature does assume that you plan to act. What decisions will
you make and how? You’re right that you
could ask why people decide to act in the market at all, but we are taking a
different temporal slice.
Copyright and
Distributive Justice
Justin Hughes &
Robert Merges
Distributive
justice: where does the money
go? Claims in IP scholarship are that
copyright has mostly enriched big corporations.
Copyright could improve distribution of wealth in terms of money and
property. © offers significant benefits of wealth to individuals at all levels,
which should not be overlooked. © is particularly important in allowing
African-Americans to convert labor and talent into money and wealth. Rawls: arguably the most important part of
his framework is the difference principle. Inequalities are permissible if they
have the greatest benefit to the least advantaged. But Rawls’ actual difference principle isn’t just
concerned w/the bottom—should be concerned with society, from the bottom
up. It’s fine to improve the middle and
the top as long as you don’t worsen conditions for those at the bottom.
© improves wealth
distribution to middle class. Peter DiCola’s money for music study: pro
musicians derive 10% of income on average from ©; we think that undercounts
what’s happening. Collecting societies
distribute enormous amounts of money to creative professionals. Five years, two PROs collecting only for
compositions only for public performance distributed $4.1 billion to
individuals. Also should include amounts distributed under Hollywood’s
collective bargaining system.
Procedural
protections for individual authors to make their rights sticky. The most powerful but glorious and beautiful
mystery—the statutory termination of transfer right. If we wanted to strengthen © as a
distributive tool for creative professionals, we’d look more at these bells and
whistles.
Second principle:
inequalities are permissible only if attached to offices/positions open to all
under conditions of equal opportunity. True meritocracy. American society has
failed to provide equal opportunity, and no group has suffered more than
African-Americans. But this is a bright spot for © distribution. ©, warts and all, arguably provides the most
robust mechanism for the most disadvantaged group in American society. We say
this acknowledging tremendous problems w/actually ensuring that
African-Americans receive the full benefits of ©. Fumi Arewa, K.J. Greene,
others, have written about this. But their typical diagnosis is not weaker
rights but broader or better enforcement. And despite all those problems, list
of wealthiest Af-Ams almost all derive from ©-based industries, principally
music and broadcasting rights. In an era
when tech seems to be weakening middle class incomes, we should pay att’n to
ability for © to protect individuals.
Does © exacerbate or
ameliorate the skewed distribution of wealth in our society? The latter; we
should focus on strengthening income from ©.
Q: © can channel
individual rewards, but does favor superstar imbalances b/t individuals.
Winner-take-all: worse overall?
Merges: long tail
distribution issues; very unfair and averages hide the unfairness. But when you
look at distribution from BMI/ASCAP, have to compare that to research talking
about income of average musicians.
Dan Burk: If I don’t
buy Rawls and instead like Nash, do I have to buy your paper?
Merges: It’s a good
way to analyze copyright in a rigorous way. You don’t have to ask if the least
well off are rigorously compensated, but you can ask if © contributes to the
wellbeing of non-superstars in a meaningful way. We think it’s even easier to meet that
standard.
Buccafusco: you tell a story about a few people, which is odd in a paper about distribution. There’s no counterfactual showing that distribution would be different in another © world. But more importantly, your story is about the people at the bottom and middle but your evidence is about people at the top. Do you have evidence that in making the top better off you’re not making the bottom worse off?
Merges: nor is there
any evidence they are worse off. No
reason to believe that © has made them worse off w/o rewarding/compensating
them w/ entertainment value. That’s just
our assumption and we’re going with it. [OK then. It is a condition of Rawlsian justice and therefore of the
premise of your paper, but ok.]
Buccafusco: Term of
transfer rewards currently wealthy at the expense of the currently poor. People who are selling rights now = less valuable
contracts because they can be terminated if they’re successful, and those
people starting out are poor now.
Hughes: most people
who know the industry think that’s dumb b/c no one goes into a contract
thinking that any record will have value in 29 years. Termination benefits
10,000 songwriters you’ve never heard of and they’re just as important as Bruce
Springsteen. [Is that how many terminations there have been? I’m pretty sure there haven’t been.]
Rosenblatt: is this exclusivity
based? Mix tapes, sampling—a good deal
of innovative copying. Worth taking into account.
Merges: Voluntary
decisions to waive rights to build market share can be very effective. But once
you cross a threshold © is valuable to protect your rights. [I don’t think that
was the point, but ok.]
Anupam Chander:
Income makes people better off, which is great. The other side is monopoly
rents, and those rents are being paid by someone. What’s the distributional
effect of the monopoly rents? You said
this was good for the middle class, but your example was 25 people for whom ©
is very good. What is happening w/people
at the bottom? Are you relying implicitly on violations of © by people at the
bottom?
Hughes: We were
certain that people would think we were talking about distribution of wealth to
Af-Am community as a whole. [Possibly because that’s what distributional
discussions usually entail and what Rawls seeks with his first principle, which
you discussed at the beginning? Or possibly because of these sentences from the opening paragraph of the paper: "Is our copyright system basically fair? Does it exacerbate or ameliorate the skewed distribution of wealth in our society? Does it do anything at all for disempowered people, people at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy? In this Article we engage these questions." Stupid readers!] Rawls = equal access to stations and offices.
For Af-Am community, access to highest offices of wealth is through ©. We aren’t
talking about distribution to other groups or within the Af-Am community. [Not
clear what distributive justice has to do with the claims, then; you might be
making a claim about openness to talent, but that actually is only one part the overall Rawlsian framework--the way that inequality is justified within a society that has adhered to the minimax principle.] Access to Madonna isn’t the same thing as
access to medicine, anyway.
[There is a
plausible narrative here that has appeal: because of lower capital costs of entry,
entertainment has been one of the easier ways for some extremely talented African-Americans
to make lots of money, whereas other methods of discovering and exploiting
talent often require capital—cf. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs’ access to significant
social and physical capital, including their ability to trespass and break
things, which could have proved lethal to African-American boys. However, the implication of putting it that
way would not seem to be “© should be stronger” but rather “hey, that’s terrible; other means of exercising great talent ought to be equally open to
African-Americans too.” If anything, the
relative disparity feeds into a critique that American culture too readily
channels African-American talents into entertainment and sports fields; the
solution to inequality is not to close off those opportunities, but neither is it
to double the number of NFL teams and have the government fund a lot of music purchases, nor to mandate Content ID for all websites.]
IP, Privacy Harms
and other Fundamental Values
Jessica Silbey
Misalignment of law
with values of creators. Many described liability problems; problems
w/trustworthy help such as studio assistants, business managers. These aren’t IP problems most of the time.
Sometimes they’d be fit into IP, but not a good fit.
Equality, privacy,
and distributive justice are the values that creators seek, but typically not a
lot of place in our conversations about IP levers, efficiencies, markets, and
entitlements. We need a theory of what
Progress is. Not necessarily about wealth aggregation/more stuff. Some may consider some of the problems to be
IP overreach, but that begs the question of what IP is for and what fundamental
values ordinary creators want to use IP to protect.
Rough project:
equality, privacy, fairer uses, abuses.
Here, focus on privacy. Five
clusters that explain different privacy interests and harms. Goal: understand
in broader cultural way. Constitutional
concerns: privacy as condition of spaces & things (houses etc.); bodily
privacy; mind and relationships (religion, speech). Nonconstitutional: info privacy: public
disclosure of private facts; misappropriation; false light; intrustion on
seclusion. Three things we care about: independent
thought (ability to formulate one’s own ideas); fortifying relationships
(bodies and privacy among communities); flourishing culture and science (allows
public realm to succeed).
Cases brought by
heirs: copyright war over Duchamp chess set.
JD Salinger, Ted Hughes, James Joyce. These cases are really about
nostalgia for family relationships. They aren’t literary reputation cases; they’re
about family memories trying to preserve them w/o interference of others.
Owning memories is futile, though.
Authors and owners
enjoining publication of previously unpublished works. Intrusion into
seclusion; spatial privacy as well as intellectual privacy. Willa Cather didn’t
want anything published after her death—free from constraint of oversight of
others.
Limited publication:
breach of confidential relations/trust.
Snapchat, FB, email. Digitally,
these limited publications don’t really exist any more. IP claims are tempting to
punish a breach of confidentiality.
Fair use cases:
recontextualization of works that have already been published. NYT sued David Shields for thumbnail images
in a book criticizing NYT photos; graffit artists objecting to being used as
backdrop for ads. His lawyer: if they
didn’t want to work with him, they could fuck themselves and find someone else—he
wasn’t interested in licensing.
Last case: suit is
brought by subject of work. Copyright suit through assignment.
Except for
unpublished work cases, process/purpose of creation is largely irrelevant in
these cases. These are claims about identity and affiliation being inseparable.
Privacy claims are bilateral—their contours are always defined by the interests
of others. And so is IP as a balance b/t
ownership and access. Privacy requires intrusion; authorship requires public
domain.
Most of these cases
involve privacy losing; IP claims are much more disputed. If the interests are
similar and the claims are similar, culturally and values-wise, they probably
should rise and fall in a similar way.
Payoff: (1) rethink
progress; (2) rethink value of rule of law, given blending of different types
of claims; if we care about that, we should think about alignment; (3)
discursive shift asks us to think about moral narratives; economic claims are
moral narratives but so are these. Language wars are policy wars, says George
Lakoff.
Linford: privacy
claims can be stalking horse for much less plausible claim. Is there a proper
way to police against this? Monge v.
Maya. P wins, suppressing wedding
photos. Argument: Hurts them as
celebrities.
A: that’s an
unpublished works case; it’s a strong privacy claim and for copyright. Should be
in the control of author/owner, just as intrusion into seclusion is strong
interest. My views have also changed about heirs’ restricting access to unpublished
(and unarchived) works.
Heymann: Law as
communicated by judges v. law as understood on the ground. What does the feedback look like here in
terms of internalizing how the law should be used?
A: trying to figure
out recursive nature of law is sociological project. Giddens’ work on
structuration has levels of feedback loops. Just beginning to figure out how
meaning is shaped in different ways by different voices. Methodologically: what’s
the data here? Anxious about that—need to
be clear about where the claims about domestication are coming from.
Q: have we seen
anything like this before w/r/t complicated legal framework w/ strong moral
narratives among general public and strong distributive justice components,
that is, w/tax? Is there an account of tax history that you could draw lessons
from?
A: Not so many
studies; there are studies of bankruptcy practice.
What’s the Harm of
Trademark Infringement?
Rebecca Tushnet
Have to say
something outrageous to justify your hanging around for the very last speaker.
I thought about saying that I’d developed a new and coherent justification for
trademark dilution, but then I thought that even in the craziness 2016 has
brought us that still wasn’t credible.
So instead I will challenge the basic function of trademark and the
crucial rule that I learned at my managing partner’s knee: the remedy for
trademark infringement is an injunction.
My challenge is both
casually empirical and more seriously normative: eBay asks us to rearticulate why the remedy for infringement ought to
be an injunction, and it turns out that the reasons for granting injunctions in
TM don’t make much sense outside the core purchase substitution situation that
so many trademark cases no longer resemble.
And it turns out that when plaintiffs are asked to particularize their
harm stories, explaining why this confusion
is specifically likely to cause the plaintiff harm, they often aren’t very good
at it.
Old perspective,
articulated by Jeffrey Sanchez: “The basis for the presumption of irreparable
harm in trademark law is the known or proven fact that monetary relief from
trademark infringement is ‘inherently “inadequate” and injury is “irreparable.”’” But by whom is this known and how was it
proven?
eBay rejected near-absolute
presumptions in favor of a patent owner, or plaintiffs generally, requiring a
plaintiff to show irreparable harm to get an injunction. Okay then: What is
irreparable harm? Easy case: the
defendant has no money to pay damages. Might be reparable under other
circumstances, but not on these particular facts. Counterfeiting cases may fall into this
category. Medium cases: we’re convinced
that there is harm, but we don’t think it will be possible to measure the
amount. This is a relatively common justification for irreparability in TM
cases, but it has a real weakness: we need to distinguish between lack of
certainty about whether there is harm and certainty that there is harm plus
uncertainty about its amount, and that’s pretty hard to do with current
techniques in TM cases.
How have TM owners
traditionally gotten around this problem?
By claiming harm to the intangible value of their goodwill. Related question: What is goodwill? TM owners tend to treat it as a word to
conjure with. But it faces the same problem as lost sales: if it’s a business
asset, it can usually be measured, because accountants and investors like that.
If it can be measured, harm to it ought to be measurable, which means it can at
least sometimes be cashed out in damages.
Even if infringement
leads to lost customers and not just lost sales, it is possible to calculate
the present discounted value of a customer, not just a lost sale. And of course lost customers are a big if, in
many cases—we say that disappointment in an infringing product may turn
customers away forever, but as Mark McKenna has painstakingly documented and I’ve
also written about, that’s really not likely to be true in most cases. Strong brands are extremely resistant to change,
and we know this even in other TM contexts. My favorite example: courts and the
Trademark Trial and
Appeal Board have found that university mascots and names have retained
trademark
significance despite uncontrolled use by others for decades and, in one case,
for nearly two centuries. People just
have terrible incident memories and usually substitute general impressions to
form their opinions about brands, which also leads them to make mistakes about,
say, who’s sponsoring the Olympics. People
think about prominent brands when you cue them with the product area pretty
much no matter what, which, first, causes noise in confusion determinations,
but second and more importantly for my topic, throws doubt on the basic theory
of harm from non-counterfeiting infringement: people are walking around
confused about the relationships between famous brands and others all the time,
and the brands stay famous and profitable.
Often, what might be
lost by infringement, instead of “reputation,” is licensing revenue, which we
know from patent and copyright cases is usually reparable by damages.
Intermediate
conclusion: Goodwill is intangible but not generally unmeasurable outside of TM
cases. Perhaps notably, the one intangible harm that the SCt has been really
clear is irreparable is suppression of First Amendment rights, which is not an
irrelevant consideration in TM cases.
But suppose we
accepted that these negative effects on reputation could really occur from bad infringing
products. Would that be irreparable harm
under eBay? Even if we required the
plaintiff to prove a quality difference, the risk of harm to any particular
trademark owner would still be low. When we wait for evidence of such harm it
may fail to appear. At most, a poor quality brand extension makes consumers
less likely to be interested in a different, related brand extension in the
future. This is a market preclusion argument, not an argument for ongoing harm,
and it’s particularly unlikely to reflect an immediate risk to a trademark
plaintiff, which is what eBay supposedly looks for. And the weakness of the reputation argument
also threatens another traditional argument in TM, which is that lost control
over one’s own reputation is inherently irreparable. That’s just a
misperception about risk, or a sub rosa lowering of the standard from likely to
theoretically possible.
The paper discusses
a few cases that demand more than just cursory statements about goodwill,
reputation, and control, and I’m largely in agreement with them. There are
still plenty of the traditional cases too, but their rationales are
increasingly creaky and come down to “we’ll let the district judge decide there’s
irreparable harm because lost control can be the basis of a finding of
irreparable harm even if it doesn’t have to
be,” which I don’t find very persuasive.
One interesting
example: Uber Promotions, Inc. v. Uber Technologies, Inc. In this case, the
well-known national brand Uber Technologies was found to have caused actual
confusion with the transportation business of local senior user Uber Promotions
in Gainesville, Florida. In finding irreparable harm to Uber Promotions, the
court noted Uber Technologies’ extremely controversial and often downright bad
reputation. For example, the court pointed out that, as of the time it wrote
its opinion, top news stories for “uber florida” included numerous stories
about Uber Technologies’ exposure of a driver’s personal information, including
her social security number. It concluded: “With all due respect to Tech,
Promotions has every reason not to want potential customers and other members
of the public to associate it with a company that has inspired protests in
cities around the world.” Bad product extensions are one thing” confusion about
an association with poorly performing products isn’t likely to be harmful. Confusion
with a brand that triggers riots and boycotts could reasonably be predicted to
be substantially more harmful.
What next? I think greater attention to the harm stories
of particular kinds of infringements could help courts understand what
academics have been saying about the overexpansion of infringement liability to
situations where there’s no real benefit to consumers and potentially severe
harm to competition or free expression.
My usual hobby horse: materiality is also useful in figuring out which
cases might involve irreparable harm.
Q: What about harm
to the consumer?
A: (1) Doctrinally,
separate factor. (2) Turns out that w/o harm to TM owner, it’s hard to explain
how consumers would be harmed either.
Lemley: Not
doctrinally separate for sure except in 9th Circuit, and they’re
weird. [True.] Why shouldn’t it be a
balancing test? Why shouldn’t we enjoin
when there is harm to public even if $ would redress the TM owner’s injury?
A: I am persuadable
on whether there should be a balancing test, esp. with factors (1) and (2)—if there
is no adequate remedy at law I would often want to call that irreparable.
However, I’m not convinced that TM owners are good proxies for harm to
consumers. If consumers are harmed, they
should (or consumer protection authorities should) act on their own behalf; we
generally ask plaintiffs to have standing by showing harm to themselves, and so
too here.
McKenna: Throwing
consumers into balance weakens argument for injunctive relief: evidence
suggests that consumers can adapt to new marketplace if they learn they can’t
rely on this as a signal—they just create sub-brands, excepting cases where the
products are really close.
A: thanks; should
also consider people benefited by D’s conduct.
Ramsey: when likely
confusion is found, court shifts into anti free riding mentality, lets TM owner
control uses. Makes sense that they’d instinctively grant injunctions.
A: Interestingly,
eBay says you’re not supposed to do that even for “property” rights—as we’ve
seen in other papers, property/liability isn’t that simple a split and it’s a
lot more complicated than enjoining “property” violations.
Rosenblatt: Isn’t
part of the concern durational—the longer confusion persists, the more likely
irreparable harm is?
A: Except I think
the evidence for that is poor. Confusion
may be harmless and stay harmless even if it doesn’t dissipate. Suppose the D’s product isn’t yet crappy but
might theoretically become so—that’s not likely
irreparable harm, just possible harm; it doesn’t meet the standard set out.
IPSC Breakout Session IV
Empirical Copyright
Copyright Misuse: A Taxonomy
Ann Bartow
Occasionally called copyright misuse; non-US countries call
it something else, but trying to taxonomize a certain type of misbehavior. Some of this is not currently called misuse: using
© to try to cover facts and ideas—books that value baseball cards, etc. Judges use a “reverse merger” doctrine: you
have copyrightable expression in facts if the facts look creative to the judge. That’s suspiciously like sweat of the brow,
but work + value = claims for expression.
Trying to cover things instead of works: Digital handshake cases, where “expression”
is used to control a device. Quality King: grey market goods. Chinese are worried about Kirtsaeng: publishers may stop making
$20 textbooks. Gutting of first sale via
contract. Copyright trolling: buying up
(or not!) copyrights just to sue.
Pornographers make it an art: special shaming techniques to make people
pay—“barely legal,” racist, gay porn.
Lisa Ramsey: what happens if we call these all copyright
misuse?
A: more coherence. ©
owner loses more often.
Eric Goldman: I didn’t hear antitrust in this list—do you
want to expand on the relation b/t © misuse and antitrust? Or is misuse a broader principle? My struggle: the whole point of © is to shut
down competition—that’s its intrinsic nature. So rules of engagement say “this
kind of shutting down competition is ok,” and then other types of competition
you can’t shut down. If you can make the
good/bad distinction coherent that would be helpful.
A: that’s what I’d like, w/r/t things like “reverse merger.” If judges could fit patterns into a larger
scheme it might help deal w/pushing the boundaries of copyright.
Sharon Sandeen: consider earlier cases. A lot of the problem
w/abusive litigation is C&D letters, choosing to sue in improper venue; Ds
may capitulate before it’s litigated. Additional category of misuse?
Ramsey: different remedy, like threats action?
Ariel Katz: Posner says misuse is just antitrust and thus
unneeded, then changes his mind later about © misuse—antitrust articulates a
principle that should be followed; he sees misuse as more abuse of
process. In many cases you can say that
you just don’t have copyright over the matter claimed.
Ramsey: interacts w/remedy: suppose P is trying to cover
facts; is entire copyright invalid?
Q: is this normative or descriptive? Licensing away fair use
is permitted by case law.
A: My intent is to describe and then make normative claims
at the end. [Perhaps if you fit together
the different branches it will be clearer whether particular versions stand
out. You can’t contract away right to
use facts, apparently; but you can contract away fair use—why?]
Q: Video games: using © licenses to prevent use of bots in
games. Is that ok? Also, consider Brownmark v. South Park—letting
fair use be considered on motion to dismiss; first published case to use “copyright
troll.”
IP Theory
More Property-Like than Property: The Prevalence of Property
Rules in IP Remedial Schemes
B.J. Ard
Property rules allow holdouts/irrationality; liability rules
have pricing difficulties. Dispute over
these rules is often linked to whether IP should be thought of as property or
not property. Property = intentional
trespass. But property today defies any easy simplification. We have a number of liability rules for
unwitting trespass, and for various holdout problems—most jurisdictions have
negligence standards for unintentional trespass. When it’s permanent intrusion and
nonnegligent, most courts will balance the equities and sometimes force a sale.
Nuisance is another classic case. We can
imagine a strong property regime for nuisance, as in early English common law. But a rule like that would have made
industrialization practically impossible; the current American approach often
awards damages. And finally, direct
state takings uses a liability rule.
Contrast w/IP: © has mandatory statutory damages [for timely
registered works]. [See also: TM
counterfeiting.] Punitive damages bear
little relation to harm caused; there’s often no solicitude for the inadvertent
infringement. Fair use can cut through a
lot of potential transaction costs, but like the rest of ©, fair use doesn’t
care about willfulness/infringement. Its
balancing test is about harm to owner and broader social benefit, but not
benefits to the would-be fair user. Damages
may be out of sync w/harms. Statutory
licenses: set prices for certain copying/transmission. Public choice theory shows limits on the
effectiveness of this practice. Won’t
address problems faced primarily by consumers, or for startups.
Patent: looks possibly like liability rule, given eBay.
Reasonable royalty is the standard. However, courts still enjoin in the vast
majority of cases in which there is actual competition. Fed. Cir. rules have made royalties
supercompensatory through various rules.
Seems backwards for three reasons. (1) Greater notice
failures exist in IP. Land records are
better than for IP. (2) Nonrivalrousness
of intangible goods. (3)
Cumulative/overlapping nature of intellectual production. Smith argues that
modularity is an advantage of property rules: nonowners know to keep out. IP doesn’t fit as easily in the same model;
what I do in producing my own film or machine may come from bundling together a
lot of rights. In tangible property, we
often see liability rules deployed to facilitate this type of bundling.
Why not a negligence standard for patent? Inventor who
diligently searches is no better off than one who does no search at all, and
might be worse off if open to finding of willfulness. Negligence = patentees
have clearer incentive to provide notice.
Short of that, we could at least have harder caps on non-negligent
infringers’ damages.
Don’t squeeze IP into Procrustean bed of real property.
Q: literature on inadvertent infringement in patent—Monsanto—coming to the nuisance type. Don’t buy the assertion that real property
uses liability rules “more” than IP.
More than we expect? Is this
quantifiable? What are your limiting
principles for reform? Maybe everything
should be liability, but that also seems extreme. Where do you draw the line?
A: mostly interested in notice failures/unwitting
infringers. That would be a major improvement.
Another key principle: in service of designing patent and © to promote
the forms of innovation we want to promote—another empirical Q. Are we deterring
by punishing innocent infringers? Are we undermining incentives to
innovate? We’d still have a
workable/productive system, but w/fewer problems.
Q: re: search. If I
know that there’s something out there, I’m worse off if I don’t look than if I do.
Q: political economy perspective: real property analogy is
used to claim that cutbacks on IP are “takings.” You may want to point out that’s
not what you’re trying to do.
A: not trying to take a position on whether IP “is” property—pointing
out that “property” doesn’t work the way that certain people claim it does when
making arguments about IP.
RT: timely ©
registration: w/o it, no statutory damages and you’re in liability-land subject
to eBay; note move to add them in ©
Office’s small claims proposal. Consider
TM, at the property/tort interface and struggling w/remedies.
Indiscrete Property
Michael Burstein
Once you define a res, the question is how to manage it.
Smith etc. argue that recognizing thingness of such assets allows
benefits. Info is often not subject to
thingness in a way that goes beyond the costs of delineating the res. Info is
often indiscrete and continuous; the logic of mixing ownership and governance
strategies for it then becomes incoherent.
Commercialization may require coordination; if coordination
costs are minimized, that can make commercialization easier and have social
benefits. Thus the need for exclusion depends on the cost of delineating the
thing and signalling its existence as a thing. If you can easily say “keep out”
it might be easier to have an exclusion strategy. If you can more easily identify
a use, then governance strategies may be more effective/efficient.
Smith is quite subtle about governance/exclusion strategies
in IP, but others have taken position that if exclusion is a relatively low
cost way to coordinate downstream use, then we should try to push more subject
matter into exclusion strategies.
Our view is circumscribed by focus on delineation costs of
defining/identifying boundaries. This
isn’t accurate depiction of info. Info
science: “data, information, knowledge, wisdom” hierarchy, usually depicted as
a pyramid. These correlate w/meaning and value—data is
less valuable/meaningful than info, which is less than knowledge. [Knowledge is knowing that Frankenstein isn’t
the monster. Wisdom is knowing that
Frankenstein is the monster.] At each
stage there are transformations to move from one level to the next. This can
turn philosophical: “information is a verb, not a noun”—info is something you
need to do something with. Economic
literature: knowledge is something that can be codified and exchanged, which
requires transformation, e.g., codifying tacit knowledge. Economics talks about costs of codifying
tacit knowledge. Strandburg: Self-revealing
v. non-self-revealing info; von Hippel: sticky v. nonsticky info. Some info is
easier to transfer than other info.
Design theory: new private law has drawn on this for its concept of
modularity, but in design theory, modules can be designed. Choice can be made
consciously about what’s in and what’s out. Persons can design info
flows/exchange info selectively.
Heterogeneity of info: how we develop info about info for purpose of
exchanging/transforming it. Pharma: core info is structure of molecule, but you
can develop info about the molecule that doesn’t reveal its structure but
reveals enough to facilitate exchange.
Discrete info, in his view, is separate or distinct.
Continuous info is inseparable. Not all
info is indiscrete. Especially lower on the hierarchy. But indiscrete info is
different from real property. Bargained for exchange in real property is
possible when different people put different values on private goods. But indiscrete
info communicates value to different people in different ways.
When we propertize, the choice b/t exclusion and governance
is more complicated than many think. Exclusion strategies can be underinclusive
of social goal of promoting innovation; may also be overinclusive by preventing
communication of valuable information.
What result? Explain
intuitions about content of IP—patentable subject matter. Focus on rules and institutions that enable
people to structure info flows as they choose.
Ted Sichelman: isn’t this also true of real property? A
boundary around a piece of land: an entrant may not interfere w/uses of owner;
uses outside boundary may affect uses of owner. So we just have to figure out
whether over and underinclusiveness are worth the benefits we get from creating
the boundaries. [Information
environmentalism redux!] Most areas of
IP don’t protect info directly, but uses w/r/t that info. Making, using, selling, offering to sell is
what patent covers, not “a molecule” as such.
A: under and overinclusivity operate differently, b/c it’s
much more difficult to anticipate relevant uses of asset, b/c intellectual
assets convey value continuously as opposed to land/bottle of water. There are multiple uses of land/water, but
the way in which uses are communicated to people depends on characteristics of
the thing that are much easier to communicate/consistent than w/information.
Empirical Copyright
Pretty Please: Software Piracy Rates and Charismatic Appeal
Andrew Moshirnia
In combating illegal videogame downloads, is it more
effective to play nice or dirty? Not much research on vg piracy, though it’s an
enormous economic drain. VG market is
about $100 billion, about 6x recording revenue.
VG piracy is an ongoing resource drain not a single lost sale, if a game
requires updates/skins—pirated game will continue to consume bandwidth; go on
to help chats to get the game to work; people w/cracked versions can often
cheat in online games, ruining it for everyone.
Major vector for malware, unlike music/movies which aren’t executable
files. Constant fear of crackdown in modding community, which overlaps w/pirate
community. Artistic concern: move to
freemium, server-side games—constraints driven by something other than the
marketplace. [Interesting definition of marketplace,
as if it existed w/o law.]
The scene: private newsgroups/torrents; picked up and
repackaged, often w/malware, into public torrents. Justifications: cost; quality/sampling; DRM
backlash; anti-corporate ideology.
Countermeasures: DRM: endogenous DRM, where game detects it’s
pirated and messes w/player rather than locking them out. Serious Sam: if you’re playing a pirated
version, a giant pink scorpion starts shooting you about a minute in. Open pricing, which partially addresses cost
concerns. Humble Bundle: dedicates
chosen percentage to charity.
Charismatic appeal: forswearing DRM, making indie/personal appeal by
developers. They distinguish between
themselves and EA (big bad).
His belief: DRM will encourage piracy where DRM breaks the
game, as when Sim City’s authentication servers were down for a month. As long as DRM can last 21 days, it
works. You make your sales then; you
just want to prevent zero-day piracy.
Open pricing may also work to limit privacy. Emotional avenues are likely to be
ineffective, but might have interesting effects. Game quality will encourage
both piracy and legit sales. Attitude of publisher may weakly encourage piracy. Appeals won’t have impact but may have
interaction w/open pricing.
Study design: data gathering now. Examine
downloaders/seeders of cracked games, identify factors influencing piracy of
individual titles, evaluate factors against claimed philosophy and behavioral
model. Looking at data from 2008 on; that was the explosion of torrenting
w/Spore. Looking at torrents,
publishers; conduct regression and modeling to get a more tailored approach and
avoid a draconian response.
Torrent trackers: can look at number of downloads, but that
may be inflated b/c of multiple torrents; total number of seeders/leechers;
rank in downloads; torrenting of software is very top heavy—top 10 will account
for great majority of downloads at any given time.
Game data: DRM used, opening price, open price ever offered,
critic score/was it a sequel, publisher’s market share/employees/attitudinal
survey, charismatic appeal, number of legit copies sold.
Analysis will depend on data quality. Difficulties: torrents aren’t only source;
false torrents; multiple downloads; poor records b/c it’s an occulted activity.
If I can only get ordinal rank, no parametric testing possible.
Matt Sag: is your plan to look at only games that have been
downloaded, or broader population of games?
Don’t select on the dependent variable.
A: ID number of games and go through population.
Kerry Abrams: affordable alternatives as reducing piracy in
video, music—what about VGs?
A: fewer subscription services for new games in this realm.
There is the idea that we’re not concerned w/non-new games. Subscription
services tend to be not new games. But in terms of ease of access, there are
developments in digital distribution, mostly through Steam. Online only access is also a move, but that
will limit the types of games that can be made and will limit modding.
Katz: do you distinguish b/t new games v. old/noncommercially
available? What about merchandising?
A: Most of the time, things out of the top 25 don’t have
data collected. Civ III fourteen years after the fact is not going to be big;
if it does show up I can control by year of release. There are definitely economic advantages to
tangible goods: Master Chief T-shirt can’t be downloaded. I’m not trying to calculate lost sales and
even pirates might buy the shirt. I’m
more interested in change away from moddability and what might be done about
that.
Undetected Conflict of Laws Problems in Cross-Border Online
Copyright Infringement Cases
Marketa Trimble
WIPO recommended training and soft law improvements to deal
with crossborder cases; Trimble thinks more is required. WIPO report used only
two US cases, Zippo (largely overruled in most circuits) and magistrate judge
decision in Nevada, in its study of 56 cases.
Trimble sampled infringement cases filed in 2013, 364 cases, under 10%
of those filed that year. WIPO report is
underinclusive, but also overinclusive in looking for cases involving conflict
of laws. Trimble’s sample is only
copyright cases, which has different inclusivity problems. WIPO looked globally; US is very
specific/different.
Over 80% of cases were online infringement cases. 90% of
those involved online digital copies; 63% of online cases involved bittorrent;
74.7% of online cases were filed against John Doe defendants. But in the entire sample, there was only one
case involving some conflict of law issue. Few defendants are foreign
domiciled. But you won’t see the
conflict problem in many filed cases b/c the problems are so big for litigants
that they don’t even file cases against foreign defendants b/c they know how
difficult and costly it would be.
Need more coordination of rules, improvements in judicial
cooperation, and streamlining of judicial proceedings in cross border cases.
Maybe small claims proposal could offer a way forward.
Thursday, August 11, 2016
IPSC Breakout Session III
IP & Privacy
Exploring Privacy as Commons
Katherine Strandburg & Brett Frischmann
Knowledge production/privacy as highly related, not
orthogonal/opposed. Knowledge production
framework as a way of doing descriptive empirical case studies of how privacy
works in context, which can aid policy design. Appropriate info flows take
place in complex and variable forms, and understanding the variations is
important. Knowledge commons framework also
lines up w/Helen Nissenbaum’s work on contextual integrity in the privacy
realm. Norms and info transmission principles can be supplemented w/a broader
conception of governance.
Privacy is community management that applies to resources and
involves a group/community but doesn’t denote the resources, community, place,
or thing: privacy is the institutional arragnement of these elements.
Meeting under Chatham House rules: identify or affiliation
of speakers/participants can’t be revealed but participants are free to use the
info received. Is this privacy or knowledge commons? It is both: encourages
candor, openness, sharing of ideas. Once adopted, the rule governs the
resources/knowledge produced and behavior. Reflects and shapes norms for
participants; reinforces boundary b/t community members and nonmembers. It’s a
good example of privacy/commons governance.
Norms of behavior at IPSC can also be described in the same way. [E.g., I blog about talks but not about
hallway conversations, I think he means.]
Studies of different research consortia for rare diseases,
which are all about knowledge production: in both, there are IP issues on the
fringes, but one really important issue that drives production is privacy w/r/t
patient data. How do you get patients to participate? What will happen w/clinical trials?
The basic characteristic distinguishing privacy from nonprivacy
is institutionalized sharing of resources among members of a community: both
jarring and useful. We are accustomed to
think of privacy as nonsharing, but privacy is often social; always connotes
boundaries b/t sharing and nonsharing. Doesn’t
work at n=1, maybe not w/physical resources; sidelines normative debate and
values; takes a long time and needs dedicated research community. Benefits:
learn more about variance, nuance, obstacles/dilemmas, institutions; explore
intersections w/knowledge commons, as w/big data; learn what people really care
about and why; improving insittutional design.
Q: seems like a lot of work is done at different level of
generality. Drug cos. are willing to claim protection for privacy as their
justification for not sharing information.
A: the studies do provide the necessary details. Boundary
crossing: sharing research w/community at large v. within the pharma co. You
can get at boundary management by studying a variety of pharma patient
communities: rare disease community is different than big pharma. In one case,
pharma reps were part of the disease research community. We unpack what privacy
means only if we study them systematically, asking the same set of questions to
a bunch of different communities.
Q: sharing among corporations involves very different
environments, cultures, etc. than sharing among friends—privacy as trust. How do you translate an idea about privacy
that’s inherently about individuals to a larger corporate environment?
A: look at the ends they set for themselves and how their
practices interact w/ that. Maybe
withholding data benefits the internal community; our proposal doesn’t judge
that or assume that it has social benefit.
Q: can anything be excluded from the definition of an
institutional arrangement you offer? E.g., family, freedom.
A: not sure!
Silbey: Privacy is generally considered an individual right
against the gov’t in constitutional law; we don’t study institutional
mechanisms enough in law to figure out how individual rights are translated
into a system.
A: he thinks of privacy as a means; ends are for society to
determine.
Trickle Down Privacy
Ari Waldman
How we operationalize privacy in institutions. Individual expectations of trust form
contexts of privacy. Bamberger/Mulligan’s
work in 2010, 2015 about operationalizing privacy on the ground. We can write all the laws we want, but what
happens in corporations as they write policies or create products that suck in
data or manipulate us into sharing information?
B/M showed: corporations began to take privacy more seriously, even
though the law didn’t change much in 20 years; still swiss cheese like. What
changed: development of robust privacy professional sphere, who understood that
privacy was about trust. Role of FTC in
developing common law of privacy and data breach notification statutes also
mattered, as well as tech changes where new products primarily implicated
privacy. If that’s true that over 20 years companies have developed a more
robust conception of privacy, why do we still have all these problems? Why are
privacy notices still so terrible, unread, unhelpful? Why are some companies more nimble w/privacy
issues than others? Why do platforms get built specifically to manipulate people
into sharing data they might otherwise not share? Do practices start at the top? What about in-house
lawyers, and people creating the tech/designing the products? Do they share the
robust conception of privacy at the CPO level? And what’s the role of the user? This matters to help companies that do care
to structure their operations to take care of privacy, and for purposes of
legal reform. FTC settlements just say “create comprehensive privacy program,”
which generally means hiring a CPO, but if that doesn’t matter we should know.
Research design: interviews w/lawyers, programmers,
engineers, members of privacy teams, project managers/tech leads. Observation of product design process for an
app that involves lots of user data.
Qualitative w/quantititave aspects.
Hypothesis: robust privacy won’t trickle down from CPO w/o
active tech person lower down who shares that vision. Tech people aren’t trained like lawyers or
ethicists, but in efficiency/gathering data. May think about privacy in terms
of notice, or user’s response.
Privacy leads even at middle management tend to think about
privacy as more than notice, but also user trust, even if they don’t have a
complete concept of what privacy is. Robust practices and guidelines exist in
all but the newest startups. Lawyers think of privacy as notice pure and
simple. They write privacy policies as legal documents; don’t care about impact
on users’ decisions to share. Their goal
is to cover everything—cautious.
Technologists use the same words as robust privacy pros, but they
fundamentally think about privacy as notice. Privacy becomes creating a product
that’s fun and takes in data. Privacy
norms trickle down: only time he’s seen it trickle down is when the
technologist designing it isn’t just given a mandate “take privacy seriously”
but also shares the robust vision of privacy/trust. May have something to do with
education/training. An engineer
manager/product designer who feels the same way may also be able to produce the
privacy trickle down.
Cyberlaw & Intermediary Liability
DMCA+ Enforcement in the New gTLDs
Annemarie Bridy
Rise of DMCA plus enforcement. Two categories: Type 1 DMCA intermediaries
are covered by DMCA but have privately agreed to do more. Graduated response; link demotion for search
engines; proactive content blocking (Content ID etc.). Type 2 are beyond the
reach of secondary liability but have privately agreed to do more—payment network,
ad network—notice and termination or blocking regimes. Domain name registrars—pressure on ICANN and
related entities to engage more actively.
Characteristics of DMCA plus: nominally voluntary but
implemented under gov’t pressure: members of Congress, IPEC, USTR. Privately negotiated w/o input from public or
public interest groups. Terms generally
disclosed only partially, w/resistance.
Enforcement lacks transparency re: nature/volume of sanctions. Lack of
procedural safeguards for accused infringers. Notable exception: Copyright
Alert system, which was more transparent in substance and operation than other
agreements.
Enforceable against users via provisions in intermediaries’
TOS that prohibit illegal activity/abuse and reserve right to terminate service
at their sole discretion.
For TM, the ACPA and UDRP have existed since before
2000. Domain Name System is a logical
target b/c domain names often incorporate word marks. Rarely requires assessment of underlying
content of website, which means a critical difference from © enforcement.
Enforcing © through DNS is more recent; © owners like it b/c
it enables cross border enforcement. First major development: PRO-IP Act of
2008, which became the basis of hundreds of domain names, from © to counterfeit
pharmaceuticals. SOPA almost provided for court-ordered site-blocking. Courts
have been asked to grant, and have been granting, site-blocking injunctions
against US based nonparty registrars and registry operators. Private ordering: MPAA and Donuts, which
contains hundreds of new GTLDs.
Rightsholders saw in new GTLD process the opportunity to
inject © related obligations between ICANN and registries/registrars. In 2014, USTR included a new issue focus on
domain name registrars in its annual Special 301 review of notorious
counterfeit markets. Called for © owners to get new procedures/policies. Music/movie industries most active in
lobbying for new © enforcement. Demanded
increased commitments for © enforcement, especially those targeting music or
digital content. 2013 version of
Registrar Accreditation Agreement contained new obligations for accepting
notices of infringement.
ICANN Registry agreement now requires registries to include
in contracts w/registrars a provision requiring registrars to include in
contracts w/registrants an obligation to refrain from © infringement and a
promise of suspension. Registrar Accreditation
Agreement requires registrars to have abuse contacts to receive reports, w/duty
to investigate and respond appropriately to claims. Thus Registrar is contractually bound both to
registry and ICANN. Complainants can seek redress through ICANN’s contractual
compliance process by completing a simple online form.
Donuts is registry operator for .movie, .wine, .computer,
.education., .clothing and others. MPAA has announced another partnership and
created a template for agreements w/registry operators. Donuts thus requires adherence to ICANN and
acceptable use policies. Permits
registry to delete, suspend, revoke, transfer or cancel the offending domain
name. Donuts agrees to treat MPAA notices
expeditiously and w/presumption of credibility, like Google’s trusted removal
program for search. Standard for
complaint: has to be clear and pervasive © infringement before approaching
registry; first must go to registrar of record and hosting provider; complaint
must state DMCA-like good faith belief; must be the result of human
review. Intended to limit volume of
notices under the program.
Normative concerns: presumption of guilt; target/sanctions
affect entire domain, not URLs; no requirement of attempt to contact the
registrant despite the requirement to look up WHOIS information. Lack of
clarity about what’s clear and pervasive infringement; what’s careful human
review. Lack of procedures for registrants to contest complaints/appeal
sanctions; lack of transparency.
Goldman: great to do all this digging; glad it was you and
not me. [I’ve joined ICANN’s TM review
group and I share this sentiment.] Is
this an unstoppable train? Is there a way to combat that, similar to §512(f)
for wrongful takedowns? Is there any cause of action possible? W/o §512(f), fox is in henhouse; what can the
chickens do? We need a better §512(f).
A: that’s a hole in the law, and not clear what public law
can do b/c users have consented to terms of use. More productive way to go
about this: try to get these agreements to look more like the Copyright Alert
system. That had a right to a third party appeal to a neutral third party, and
these don’t. Can’t get details of Donuts
agreement or Radix agreement though did get template for trusted notifier
agreement.
Justin Hughes discussion: Someone registers
Harrypotter.education, and MPAA detects a bunch of streaming going on. They’re
under no obligation to contact the registrant?
Yes. They’re under an obligation to contact the registrar, then
Donuts. Then the registry is under an
obligation to assess clear & pervasive © infringement identified through
human review—it’s a bit of a black box.
If Donuts finds so, they are obligated to cut off the registrant no
matter what the registry has found.
A: Donuts has said that there have been 6 complaints filed
under trusted notifier system; 3 domain names blocked. This was their evidence that it’s working,
but no info is available, for example about what a user sees when a site has
been blocked or locked.
RT: ICANN could require disclosure/transparency in its
agreements. There is something we as a community can do: join ICANN’s working
groups on these issues. I’ve done it for TM and it is not fun, but it is
necessary work and right now they are not hearing from the policy/academic
community, only from people with stark economic interests. Show up! Voice matters at ICANN.
IP, the Constitution and the Courts
A Free Speech Right to Trademark Protection?
Lisa Ramsey
International issues: US and other countries are members of
Paris Convention, w/obligations to allow certain registrations. Says that nations may deny
registration/invalidate registrations for marks contrary to morality or public
order. WTO members agreed in TRIPS to keep that the same. International conventions on human rights—allow
restrictions to freedom of expression if necessary to protect public order and
morals; rights and reputations of others; to prevent incitement to violence.
Consider, not just in the US but as a template for
evaluating free expression issues: 1. Gov’t action. Who is regulating the
expression? If FB deletes your post,
there’s no state action. If it’s a
misleading ad taken down by the FTC, that’s gov’t action though ok. In Tam, the gov’t action is a law barring
registration of disparaging TMs (gov’t inaction).
2. Suppression, punishment, or other harm to expression. Consider
how the regulation actually harms expression. Unconstitutional conditions
doctrine: big debate. Ramsey’s position
is that unconstitutional conditions shouldn’t apply where the benefit being
denied is the right to suppress the free speech of others.
3. What’s being regulated? TMs are expression, even though
you sometimes see people deny it.
4. Whose expression is being regulated? Tam is not about gov’t speech—TM registration
is individual speech. Could also
consider whether corporations have free speech rights, though they do in the US.
5. Are there categorical exclusions for this type of
expression? Misleading commercial
speech, incitement to violence. But scandalous/disparaging marks aren’t
categorically excluded.
6. Whether the regulation of expression fails constitutional
scrutiny—level of constitutional scrutiny depends on local doctrine. Is it content- or viewpoint-based? Does it cover commercial or noncommercial
speech? Requires evaluation of law’s purpose, fit between law and purpose,
amount of harm to expression.
Upholding options: SCt might use unconstitutional conditions
doctrine to say that §2(a) is constitutional.
Could say it satisfies constitutional scrutiny, though unlikely to say
it satisfies strict scrutiny. Or it
could go the (c) route, treating (c) differently than other kinds of speech as
long as Congress doesn’t alter the “traditional contours.” Offensive TM laws seem pretty traditional;
but might be a problem for dilution.
Linford: Ginsburg isn’t going to want to go near “traditional
contours”—Golan signals that
traditional contours means only 2 things.
What about Harper & Row claiming that there’s no conflict, and we’ll
say hands off.
Q: What is the state action requirement? Enforcement of TM including injunctive
relief.
RT: my question was similar—Linford says “hands off” but
what does that mean? “In Tam, the gov’t
action is a law barring registration of disparaging TMs” but that’s gov’t
inaction.
A: When the examiner denies your application that’s gov’t
action.
RT: but in that case if I go to court and say “FB suspended
my account for using a non-real name and you should bar that part of the TOU
b/c it violates my free speech rights” then you also get state action in
enforcing FB’s contractual terms.
A: true. Reminder
that TM registration allows lots of suppression of speech—can interfere
w/T-shirts, merchandising, claim dilution, etc.
Charles Duan: disparaging marks have particularly strong
expression values—people use them to express feelings. Preventing others from using those terms may
thus be worse than ordinary suppression through TM.
A: yes, one of the dissents does a really good job—makes a
difference from ordinary unconstitutional conditions cases, where benefit
sought was not the right to suppress others’ speech. Still, troublesome to have
individual examiners deciding what’s disparaging. Internationally, nations can decide
(Afghanistan bars marks that are harmful to chastity).
Pam Samuelson: Different nations have different ideas of
scandalousness, public order, disparagement. Are you thinking we need
harmonization?
A: the opposite. We need to allow nations to make their own
decisions. I worry that after Tam,
people will go to other countries and demand registration of these marks. Some people will only register marks that they can register in multiple countries, so there's a chilling effect no matter what.
IPSC Breakout Session V
IP Theory, Functionality & Design
Infringing Algorithms
Felix Wu
Means plus function claims: you get the structure disclosed
in the specification and equivalents thereof. Why doesn’t this limit on
functional claiming work? Claims that
are at root functional are not construed to be functional; Fed. Cir. decision
in Williamson: need to know when we
are going to interpret these claims as functional. Now: magic words “means” are not required.
But still need to know what will count as the corresponding structure, and there’s
something special going on with software b/c we can see structure w/mechanical
arts. What would we mean by structure
when software is effectively functional all the way down: overall function,
broken down into modules that perform functions, broken down further etc. Fed. Cir. says the structure in software is
an algorithm, which then imposes a limit on functional claiming. But then: what
does Fed. Cir. mean by an algorithm?
Necessary to perform the claimed function. But this doesn’t help, b/c then we need to know
what’s necessary. Missing the idea that
you can break up one function into a series of functions a number of times—the levels
of abstraction problem that we’re used to in © but not in patent.
Fed. Cir. is stuck about where we were in Jaslow in ©. Fed. Cir. says algorithm is
what’s necessary to perform the claimed function and nothing more, and that’s
what the court did in separating idea/expression in Jaslow. Lesson: we need
abstraction-filtration-comparison for means plus function claims. Avoiding overbreadth. Alice and
the like may provide tools to do that kind of filtration, better than using
them for patentable subject matter. SCt’s
instinct in Alice about overbreadth
is really about filtering. Altai also filters out the non-novelty,
as we want to do here. If algorithms are equivalent only at the level of what’s
not novel, we shouldn’t regard one as infringing the other.
Should we also use this instead of nonliteral copyright
infringement? Patent supremacy, as
discussed by Lemley & McKenna? That
might make sense.
[Sorry, when it comes to patent I can only hum a few bars. Lemley’s question seemed perfectly reasonable
but I didn’t process it.]
Samuelson: Fed. Cir. Oracle v. Google: they want to say if
there’s any other way to do something then it’s copyrightable. But software usually has more than one way to
do something; it doesn’t make those things non-abstract. If it’s too abstract
for patent, it’s too abstract for ©, and it doesn’t make any difference that
there’s more than one way to do it.
A: yeah, that seems reasonable.
Q: there’s an expressive element to software that differs
from its functionality. 100 programmers would write 100 pieces of code that
were different for the same function—it’s that aspect that © protects, and it’s
the time it takes to code that © protects. I like your idea on the patent side
b/c the same kind of filtering is needed as on the © system. But not sure there should be lessons for ©
that only strictly literal copying should be actionable, b/c code is
expressive.
A: not clear why expression is the source of value of the
software. Depends on what you mean by expressive. The expression is limited in that it produces
the function, even if you feel like the code is beautiful.
Q: what makes a novel beautiful also doesn’t matter.
A: but beauty in code is also about accomplishing purpose
efficiently and laying out text efficiently, which matters to readability and
reusability. Both of those things are
functions.
Q: but pro programmers can pick up code and tell you who
wrote it. [Hmm. Analysts in WWII could
also listen and figure out the “fist” of the specific
telegraph operator who was on duty. That
didn’t mean the telegraph operator was engaging in copyrightable
expression. We still have to figure out
the question “what should copyright cover?” and the answer is not “all things
that are different depending on who produces them”—if you ask me to drive a
route, the details of how I press on the gas and where I signal will differ
from the details of how other people do it, but that doesn’t make my driving
pattern copyrightable. Cf. Abraham
Drassinower’s recent book.]
Functional Compilations
Pamela Samuelson
CONTU said utility is never a limit on ©ability, which is totally
untrue; Easterbrook in ADA case says functionality is only a limit for PGS
works. Architecture and software are
examples of functional works Congress decided to use © to protect. But at least
w/architecture we know that functional parts of designs, e.g. plumbing and
wiring, are unlikely to be within © scope. Altai is the leading case indicating
functionality limits scope of © in software, though it didn’t direct filtering
out of processes, methods, etc. There is
can be a merger of function and expression in software cases, usually as to
particular elements of programs, not programs as a whole. But Lexmark is an example of merger
resulting in invalidating ©. Argument: When
courts use selection, coordination, and arrangement, that doesn’t mean that
compilation is protectable if it is a functional compilation.
Doctrinal buckets for courts imposing functionality limits:
but since they were struggling in these cases they used multiple buckets: most
common: if functional, lacks originality.
Or functional b/c implements method, system, procedure unprotectable
under §102(b). But also invoke multiple doctrines, sometimes as many as 5—doctrinal
cocktail. [Sounds like TM fair use cases.]
No protection for facts, etc.
Functionality types: (1) mechanically derived (Feist, Continental Micro). (2) Dictated by function, even if there’s more than
one way to do it—recipes, involving yogurt. There’s more than one way to do
that. (3) Result of systematic or methodical organization: directory of CATV
systems, not a protectable compilation. (4)
Necessary to accomplishing objective or task.
Bank claimed © in its wire transfer numbers, which are required to
transfer money from bank to bank. (5) Conformance
to rules, logic. Southco part number
case—systematic; dictated by conformance to logic of numbering system and thus
unprotectable. (6) Efficient design. (7)
Incidental to carrying out tasks/processes. (8) Industry standard. (9) Affecting
cost, quality, or effectiveness of product design (Traffix).
Suppose Rural had been the first compiler of telephone white
pages in what’s now the standard order, using skill and judgment to organize—that
would still be functional.
CO refused to register human DNA sequence—too functional
even though it’s a literary work. Continental Micro: © in compilation of
data on shape of and depth of keys as inputs into key cutting machine
processes. May be difficult and time consuming but not ©able. Baker
v. Selden: arrangement of columns into functional compilation. In many cases, functionality limited scope of
©.
We need more work on what makes a compilation
expressive? 100 best restaurants. ADA case
is flatly wrong; numbers are functional for billing people for dental procedures.
One of the bad things is it begat other cases where P claimed to taxonomize,
not systematize, but a taxonomy is a
system of organization. McLean Hunter
similarly begat lots of bad cases. NYNEX’s
claim to © in settlement prices on its exchange—that would mean all prices were
©able b/c someone engaged in human judgment to set them. Leval has been willing to confess error at
least about the prices themselves, but the 2d Circuit has not completely
repudiated it.
Q: do you have a view on copyrightability versus
scope/narrowing determinations?
A: I talk about that issue in the paper—courts have to be
willing to say some things are just not copyrightable at all for functionality.
Some of the narrow scope cases involved instructions about how to use a
noncopyrighted product; if there was some variation possible, the court would
allow nonexact copying. Rulebooks: often
different ways to explain rules. Even if MacLean
Hunter was rightly decided, it should be narrow. We should spend more time
asking not just what’s original but what’s expressive. If result is thin
protection for some that’s cool.
McKenna: reason for excluding from © matters: if it’s b/c
they aren’t original, existence of alternatives wouldn’t matter so much. If it’s
b/c they go too close to other areas like patent, then alternatives might
matter.
Sandeen: did you look at whether © was registered timely, or
only in order to sue against something they didn’t like?
A: I could go back and look; my sense is that generally it’s
when the other guy does something that’s too close that they register and sue.
No case I found involved a refused registration for compilations though they
would refuse registration for forms.
Sandeen: trade secret might have been an alternative for
some.
Screening Functionality in Intellectual Property Law
Christopher Buccafusco & Mark Lemley
Identify and describe three distinct functionality screens
in ©, TM, and design patent. Evaluate costs and benefits of each screens and
assess whether the screens are properly chosen for their fields. Simplified model of design decisionmaking:
all works can be plotted as percentage of aesthetic or functional
features. We don’t care what functional
means, and use aesthetic shorthand for nonfunctional (expressive, ornamental,
source-signifying). Dual-purpose
features are our problem.
1: Filtering. In
ideal world of filtering, all aesthetic stuff in and all functional stuff out.
As long as you can show any aesthetic value.
2: Exclusion screens: no rights, no matter what.
3: Threshold: dichotomy—things to one side get filtered,
things w/o enough aesthetic content get zero.
© has all of these three.
Filtering, you know. Copyright
excludes cuisine, recipes, pre-1990 architecture, yoga. Threshold: PGS works. Not useful articles (filtering), useful
articles w/separable features (threshold), useful articles w/o separable
features (exclusion). Tries to capture
the issue of dual-nature features, applied art—where there’s intrusion of the
functional into the aesthetic.
Design patent is the opposite: no screening, you get almost
everything unless it’s totally functional.
We’ll look at administrative costs, error costs of false
positives (incentive costs, maybe) and false negatives (competition costs).
Filtering has low admin costs on entry but lots of stuff gets in; high false
negatives if there are systematic errors.
Exclusion: low admin/litigation costs after initial exclusion, high risk
of false positivves. Threshold: high ex ante costs.
Copyright: high risk of competition costs may undermine
filtering here. Perhaps saved by merger doctrine; that’s what CONTU seemed to
think, that we needed some kinds of rights for incentives to exist. PGS works:
thresholds make some sense, at least to the extent that Congress decided to
lump car parts w/paintings. Exclusion makes
sense where we think there are no substantial incentive costs.
Trade dress: serious competition risks if decisionmakers
wrong; exclusion might be better.
Design patent: failing to screen out dual nature features of
design means risk to competition. We’d have to think there are no serious
competition risks and that there are serious risks to incentives from
underprotection to make this sensible.
Linford: given your focus on competition, why doesn’t the
existence of alternatives always lead to nonfunctionality finding.
Lemley: Trade dress does better than design patent in having
abandoned the idea that alternatives = nonfunctionality. Affect on cost/quality
= subject to functionality screen.
Design patent has a miniscule definition of functionality: only if there’s
no other way of doing that, at best—there must be some design protection for
every element, if you read cases broadly.
We don’t want to accept alternatives as precluding functionality.
[unscheduled break for me]
Claiming Design
Jeanne Fromer & Mark McKenna
Claiming looks very different across regimes. One important
aspect of design patent is that it happens early on, often ex ante, before
commercialization. Another important
aspect: mode is visual; law discourages use of words to describe design. You draw more than what you’re claiming, with
broken lines to indicate what’s not claimed.
Trickery aspect enhanced by visual format. Infringement test is more of central claiming
by exemplar b/c infringement test asks whether ordinary observer would be
deceived into purchasing one design supposing it to be the other.
Trademark has 2D claiming; you have to figure out the scope
of someone’s rights along both dimensions at the same time. PTO has elaborate
rules for mark depiction and description of goods and services. But you don’t
need a registration for TM rights and none of the rules apply if you claim the
design as an unregistered mark, which is most litigated cases. Those elaborate
rules also don’t matter once you start litigating your registered mark, and
courts evaluate the nature of your use.
Allows you to make ex post judgments about what D is doing and shape
your claim w/defendant in mind. If you’d
been forced to delineate Two Pesos trade dress up front, you almost certainly
would have identified colors, but that’s not what D copied. Central claiming by
exemplar, but the exemplars aren’t very good.
PTO registration of TM in iPhone screen: long and specific, detailed
about color. In litigation, description
is broader and shorter. What courts have noticed, rightly, is that TM claiming
in litigation creates significant risk of moving target. Sometimes tried to impose a requirement that
you state upfront for purpose of litigation what your trade dress is; many
courts make you plead this. But there’s no constistency across courts about level
of generality required.
Internal consequences of claiming rules: broken line
phenomenon leads to overclaiming.
External consequences of claiming rules: overlapping regimes; compounds
strategic aspect. Illusion of precision
and notice, but trade dress can pop up later on as in Taco Cabana: don’t claim
color in litigation. You can say TM is
about protecting source identifiers so colors shouldn’t matter if consumers are
confused, but it undermines notice.
Lemley: I always understood that dashed lines had to be
there but weren’t sufficient.
McKenna: not clear. You could make the preamble have
operative effect: design of a clothing hanger, even if the entire outline is
dashed and the only claim is to the color of a clothing hanger. It’s not true that the dashed features have
to be present. There’s no all elements
rule.
Fromer: In UK, broken lines have meaning; US law is less
strict.
McKenna: maybe people would file more design patents to make
sure they’d have rights down the road; that’s a cost. TM allows you to identify
only what’s proved valuable.
Rosenblatt: utility patents—the moving target will depend on
what the competitor is doing, but without prior art to keep the patentee
honest. You want a very broad claim in design patent that you might not want in
utility patent. On the other side: secondary meaning may develop for things you
don’t really know are going to be your mark. The opportunity for a mark to
emerge for the shape of an awning rather than the color is very different.
McKenna: true, incentives differ. Fromer: we might want to
give people incentives to think about that up front. A lot of doctrines in utility patent are
about forcing people to develop inventions far enough to think through the
ramifications. McKenna: functionality is
the constraint on broad claiming in TM; but the more broadly you claim in design
patent, the less likely it is to be functional.
[Not clear if McKenna is defining breadth in the same way in both
contexts.]
Q: consider tacking in relation to scope.
McKenna: right now you can use design patent to claim
priority/secondary meaning in TM b/c of 14 years of exclusive use, which you
could not do for utility patent.
Copyright as Tortious Interference
Shyam Balganesh
Focus on looking at common law has been principally
structural: analytical basis of IP, not necessarily the normative basis.
Normative reasons for common law doctrines are not a great fit for IP—deterrence,
corrective justice, cost avoidance. We
should start thinking about common law not just as analogy but as homology:
distinction by Abraham Drassinower.
Analogy identifies a resemblance and makes a claim on the basis of that
identification. Homology identifies a
similarity but in addition makes an assertion about the basis of the
similarity. The common origin can be
anything: single source, evolution, motivating normative ideal. In law,
homology makes assertion about shared normative goals to explain or justify the
similarity.
Tortious interference w/contract: origins in Lumley v. Gye,
expanding and absorbed into US common law by 1900. Breaks off into tortious interference
w/prospective advantage—a standalone action. Instead of looking at existence of
a valid contract, a prospective economic advantage or lost chance is sufficient
to allow liability to kick in. Better known in the US than in other
countries. Exists in most jurisdictions
in the US; NY and Cal. have best-developed; different names in different
states, but all the same. Identifies a market prospect that is protectable b/c
reasonably likely to be realized and creates an exclusionary liability regime. Only
certain actions by a D trigger liability.
Standard: knowledge of prospect and intended interference; prospect
reasonably likely and not merely speculative; improper/wrongful interference;
ensuing economic harm. Intent = volitional act, rather than other mens rea.
Most litigation focuses on identifying reasonably likely prospect
and improper/wrongful interference. The
prospect and the wrong. Prospect: not a
mere hope or subjective expectancy. Courts want reasonable likelihood of
realization, based on market patterns and nature of activity in particular
domain. There’s an inverse correlation b/t the level of probability the court
requires and the public policy goal underlying the need for protection. Even
probabalistic recovery can justify liability if there’s a perceived need to
create incentive for P to invest in this activity. Not purely an epistemic probability based
determination; supplemented by public policy/social welfare goals where
incentive to invest in economic activity justifies protection.
The wrong: must be wrongful means or motive; unethical
behavior based on commercial norms; anticompetitive conduct.
The defense: privilege of interference. (See similarity: not all copying is wrong.)
Very few normative rationales offered for this tort; three
most commonly offered are (1) free riding and the ex ante incentive, BeVier
1990. There are many domains where info investment is needed; allowing third
party to free ride when it can obtain the info on its own can justify allowing
the action, in order to preserve incentive to invest in info gathering. (2) Commercial
morality, as w/trade secret; completely nebulous. (3) Ownership of prospect as
a property right, Epstein.
If one adopts tortious interference as homology w/copyright,
helps us recast analytical structure of ©. What’s the object of protection? ©
theory oscillates b/t the work and the action (Drassinower). Tortious interference says it’s a prospective
economic advantage that should be allocated to P. Not every form of interference is actionable;
copying is a normative identification of elements that make the action
improper. Intentionality: need
volitional conduct. Forms of exempted
copying = privileged interference.
Looking at homology shows (1) ©’s logic of incentive
creation is fundamentally flawed. The incentive doesn’t come from ©; that doesn’t
underlie tortious interference either. Incentives come from the market. The
rights are circumscribing the existence of that incentive when the market has
independently created it. © doesn’t supply the incentive. It protects an incentive that exists, when it
exists. (2) Idea of liability—when is
copying wrongful—should be our focus.
Substantial similarity is a black box; we should get a handle on
normative question of what should be allocated to individual claimant. (3) Copyright recovery should be understood
as probabalistic. Causal indeterminacy
is central. Can be factored into damages
computation. But isn’t right now.
McKenna: Tortious interference is maddening b/c law is
completely unclear about what kinds of conduct count as wrongful interferences.
I get the homology, but are you importing more uncertainty than you’re gaining?
A: black box = jury question. I am trying to give a
framework for judicial decisions. I also don’t want to transpose the
uncertainty. But there are patterns in the case law—3 distinctive categories of
improper conduct: (1) independently actionable unlawful conduct; (2) acts in
the shadow of unlawful conduct; (3) lawful but unethical conduct. But I love living w/uncertainty.
Madison: remedies: Under Cal. law, it’s an intentional tort
allowing punitive damages. W/full mapping, you’re borrowing a big problem at
the remedial level.
A: I’m not seeking to apply all aspects.
Q: if market is where the advantage comes from, would we
need to investigate whether the market existed case by case?
A: Absolutely. It’s not done now.
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